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351W to replace a 302...Will this engine work?

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Old 10-21-2018, 04:48 PM
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351W to replace a 302...Will this engine work?

I picked this 351W up at the junk yard to replace a 302 in a 1995 F150. The engine is marked with the F4TE stamp. It came out of a 1995 E350 van. Will this engine work? I plan on keeping the 302 computer and the AODE 4R70W transmission in the truck.

I also has a question about the oil cooler. Can this be used in a truck, or do I need to just remove it and use a regular oil filter? I do not see how it would clear the engine cross member in a truck.

Also, the thermactor system on the 351W penetrates the back of the exhaust manifolds. On my 302 the thermactor system penetrates the back of the heads in the smog ports. My original plan was to install GT40 heads and long tube headers. Should I just keep the stock headers and use the thermactor system as is?

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Yes you can remove the oil adapter and just mount it right on the block.
If you are installing longtubes then you're not keeping the stock cats so the whole air injection system serves no purpose and can be completely deleted.
You will need a 28oz AOD/4R70w flexplate for this combo, you cannot use the one from the 302(wrong balance) or one that may have come with the 5.8 as it will be for an E4OD which has the wrong offset.
Good luck with the swap.
 
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Yep I removed that oil cooler and used an FL1A filter on the block instead of the FL820S that is spec'd for the 5.8L's in trucks. Use a lower radiator hose from a 302 truck, it won't have the cooler provisions.
 
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Exceptionally nice score.

You'll have to drill the GT-40 heads if you're wedded to keeping the air injection.

The EGR connection is common on shorties, but I've yet to see them on long tubes, but no reason you can't add a bung if you want.

Might want to use your truck valve covers.

I dig that extended oil dip stick.

Keep us posted.
 
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Good score, roller block.
 
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Originally Posted by Conanski
If you are installing longtubes then you're not keeping the stock cats so the whole air injection system serves no purpose and can be completely deleted.
To keep the truck inspection legal, can I do this? Are the advantages of the long tube headers worth going this route?

 
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Ok, doing a little research, it looks like to use the long tube headers, I will need to relocate the catalytic converters, which makes the truck not legal. I do need to replace the truck exhaust, as there really isn't one right now. Is there a legal exhaust solution that still improves performance?
 
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Originally Posted by andy011
Ok, doing a little research, it looks like to use the long tube headers, I will need to relocate the catalytic converters, which makes the truck not legal. I do need to replace the truck exhaust, as there really isn't one right now. Is there a legal exhaust solution that still improves performance?
I'd never heard that relocating the cats was illegal, my '96 has 3" high flow Cats & they never bat an eye at inspections. The system is 3" single from down pipe to the exit behind the R rear wheel. BTW your state may have a point where you no longer have to pass emissions, just safety. Here that is 24 years, so right now the '94s are good to go. 2 more years for my '96
 
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I'll have to stop by and check with my state inspector to see what is legal or not before I buy any more parts.
 
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Shorty Headers should work without having to relocate your cats (I think) Wont improve performance as much as long tubes , but should be a little better than stock manifolds.
 
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Unless you're in California, relocating cats should be a non issue. Most states don't even have visual inspections, if it passes the sniffer, it passes the test.
 
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I guess what you need to answer to us is are you trying to:

Stick to the letter of federal, state (can't imagine Vir-ginny is that strict, but who knows?) laws because you feel you have to or...

Your own green conscious?

I run a cat, EGR & thermactor is long gone, but solenoids are electrically connected but still set non-critical 212 codes.

The Feds & EPA wouldn't be happy, but the state of MS could care less.

I have essentially what you're wanting to do in my truck. (recently converted to MAF)
 
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What I am after is no hassles during inspection time. Keeping the pollution down is fine with me also, and the exhaust "stink". I know I personally hate to get behind an older, poorly maintained vehicle that has that bad exhaust smell. As I said, I'll see what my inspector says about it.

I will keep the EGR hook up, as some other threads indicate keeping this helps prevent engine knock and improves mileage. We will see about the thermactor system.
 
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The long tubes (SpeedDaddy) on my '96 are EGR port equipped. That was the one part of those headers that was done right at the Chinese factory..
 
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Well, if you have an inspector that is **** about 100% of this list you'd be SOL about anything not original:

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