What Stock Ignition System in 1972 F250
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What Stock Ignition System in 1972 F250
Just picked up a 1972 F250 with a 300 4.9L motor. As I am new to this brand & model of truck I am still learning. How can I tell if the ignition system is a point / condener, DS 1 or a DS 2 unit? Are the P&C distributor different than the DS 1 & 2 distributor? What about the coil units?
Thanks for any & all help.
Thanks for any & all help.
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I am planning on installing a pertronix 1261 unit in my 1971 F250 300 4.9L with less than 6 month old P&C distributor in the near future. Before I make the complete change I would like to install the 40,000 volt Flame thrower Coil with a new set of Pertronix 7mm plug wires. Will the points & condenser in the 300 distributor be able to handle the new hotter spark? The truck still has the factory pink/brown resister wire hooked to the current coil. Can I run the same Motorcraft BSF44C plugs I normally run & open them up to .045 gap?
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Yes, everything will work great. Make sure the distributor itself has a good ground. It grounds itself through the housing to the block. Make sure there's no paint at the mating surface for example to interfere. There's a flexible copper wire on the breaker plate too, if it's looking long in the tooth, replace it. You'll want to leave the ballast installed - the points won't handle more than 3 amps or so, period.
In theory, if you install a different coil without increasing the primary voltage (by removing the ballast resistor) the voltage at the plugs won't really change. Plug firing voltage is drawn not applied. It takes what it needs. Higher compression, higher loads, leaner fuel mixtures, worn plugs etc increase the firing voltage required.
Normally at idle about 8,000 volts to fire a plug or somesuch. That leaves about 10,000 volts in reserve with a stock coil. Installing a 40,000 volt coil doesn't change the voltage required to fire the plugs. It does have a higher reserve voltage if necessary though.
You can open the plug gap a little if you like. I would wait till the points get replaced with the module, and the resistor wire is bypassed. This higher primary voltage does puts the secondary or high tension part of the ignition system under more strain as the secondary voltage output will increase, consequently the coil will run hotter, also the rotor inside the distributor will burn faster. The bigger the air gap between the rotor and terminal, and the larger the plug gap, the higher the secondary voltage builds up in the coil before it fires. When GM developed HEI they initially had a plug gap of .060" or so, and it caused everything to burn up.
If this secondary voltage gets too high in a point distributor it will likely arc to ground someplace easier than the plug gap, or crossfire between wires, or inside the cap, or even outside the cap.
Start out with factory spec heat range plugs and factory gap and see how it runs. Then, open up the gap later maybe. Make sure the carburetor mixture and jetting is correct before (maybe) stepping down a heat range. If the plugs are burning too rich, the carb needs adjusting - before changing plug heat range. One thing at a time. It's tedious, but with ignition and carb tuning especially it's important. It you change a gazillion things at the same time it confuses tuning.
In theory, if you install a different coil without increasing the primary voltage (by removing the ballast resistor) the voltage at the plugs won't really change. Plug firing voltage is drawn not applied. It takes what it needs. Higher compression, higher loads, leaner fuel mixtures, worn plugs etc increase the firing voltage required.
Normally at idle about 8,000 volts to fire a plug or somesuch. That leaves about 10,000 volts in reserve with a stock coil. Installing a 40,000 volt coil doesn't change the voltage required to fire the plugs. It does have a higher reserve voltage if necessary though.
You can open the plug gap a little if you like. I would wait till the points get replaced with the module, and the resistor wire is bypassed. This higher primary voltage does puts the secondary or high tension part of the ignition system under more strain as the secondary voltage output will increase, consequently the coil will run hotter, also the rotor inside the distributor will burn faster. The bigger the air gap between the rotor and terminal, and the larger the plug gap, the higher the secondary voltage builds up in the coil before it fires. When GM developed HEI they initially had a plug gap of .060" or so, and it caused everything to burn up.
If this secondary voltage gets too high in a point distributor it will likely arc to ground someplace easier than the plug gap, or crossfire between wires, or inside the cap, or even outside the cap.
Start out with factory spec heat range plugs and factory gap and see how it runs. Then, open up the gap later maybe. Make sure the carburetor mixture and jetting is correct before (maybe) stepping down a heat range. If the plugs are burning too rich, the carb needs adjusting - before changing plug heat range. One thing at a time. It's tedious, but with ignition and carb tuning especially it's important. It you change a gazillion things at the same time it confuses tuning.
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Tedster9 --- Thanks again for the additional detail information. I think the first setup will be with the 300 P&C distributor, new points, condenser, new Pertronix 7mm plug wires and a new set of Motorcraft BSF44C plugs I have been running with the factory .035 gap. I will put in the new Flamethrower coil
The carb is a two barrel Holley that is jetted nice for the motor setup & for town driving that I do most of the time. Plugs look a nice clean brown color with no rich or lean signs.
Just want to make sure that I need to run the factory pink/brown resister wire to the new Flamethrower coil the same as it is on my existing coil?
ultraranger --- That is a great looking 300 motor, detail is first class. If you can please drop a closeup of your straight up coil mount to this thread as I would like to mount mine the same way. What type / mm are your plug wire? did you make up the length yourself?
The carb is a two barrel Holley that is jetted nice for the motor setup & for town driving that I do most of the time. Plugs look a nice clean brown color with no rich or lean signs.
Just want to make sure that I need to run the factory pink/brown resister wire to the new Flamethrower coil the same as it is on my existing coil?
ultraranger --- That is a great looking 300 motor, detail is first class. If you can please drop a closeup of your straight up coil mount to this thread as I would like to mount mine the same way. What type / mm are your plug wire? did you make up the length yourself?
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You'll need to get in the manual, maybe Sixes were different than the 8 cylinders. Ford used (about) a 1.4 ohm resistor or ballast, and (about) a 1.4 ohm ignition coil for (about) 3 ohms total, in the 8 cylinder engines.
SO, just make sure to use the same (about) ohms resistance in the Flamethrower coil as was the OEM coil, and continue to use the installed ignition ballast wire. Electrically it will be the same as far as the points are concerned, in terms of current (amperes).
Keep in mind the generic ignition condensers available today are mostly trash and often will not work for more than a few minutes, if that. If the current condenser is working OK you're better off leaving it alone. NOS points are plentiful and inexpensive and made with the correct materials.
SO, just make sure to use the same (about) ohms resistance in the Flamethrower coil as was the OEM coil, and continue to use the installed ignition ballast wire. Electrically it will be the same as far as the points are concerned, in terms of current (amperes).
Keep in mind the generic ignition condensers available today are mostly trash and often will not work for more than a few minutes, if that. If the current condenser is working OK you're better off leaving it alone. NOS points are plentiful and inexpensive and made with the correct materials.
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Thanks ND! I don't speak inline 6 very well. Coil ohms? 4 and 6 cylinder engines may sometimes use a 3 ohm coil? There's no spec for a different coil in '64 FWIW. Keep in mind, you can use just about any combination of parts you want provided the total primary ignition circuit resistance doesn't exceed the current carrying capacity of the device you're using. Points will fry at about 3 amps. Use Ohms Law to determine this.
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