This is an interesting read
#1
This is an interesting read
https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2014/0...ve-since-1965/
IMHO the author has missed the mark on current hourly wages as an average unless he's referring to average household hourly income.
IMHO the author has missed the mark on current hourly wages as an average unless he's referring to average household hourly income.
#2
That is an interesting article. It would be nice to see something more contemporary and truck specific.
I have a gut feeling that truck prices have risen more steeply in the 5 years since that article was written.
All the manufacturers have added more bells and whistles...and nothing is for free.
I agree with what he said in regards to safety and price....part of what we pay can be traced directly to (antilock brakes, air bags, etc) safety systems and technology.
Don't forget the cost of pollution control systems and R&D/development to meet ever increasing MPG/CAFE requirements.
I have a gut feeling that truck prices have risen more steeply in the 5 years since that article was written.
All the manufacturers have added more bells and whistles...and nothing is for free.
I agree with what he said in regards to safety and price....part of what we pay can be traced directly to (antilock brakes, air bags, etc) safety systems and technology.
Don't forget the cost of pollution control systems and R&D/development to meet ever increasing MPG/CAFE requirements.
#3
I just made a post in the Ford Leads thread that touches on this. As for the safety and CAFE regulations, they contradict each other. Safety requires more weight and complexity. Fuel mileage requires less weight. Emissions equipment requires more weight and complexity that reduces fuel mileage.
There seemed to be a good balance point in the late 90s. Now we are at the point where the gains are smaller and smaller, but the costs to achieve those small gains are comparatively high. The regulatory agencies are happy to say that the auto manufacturers have the burdens of those costs. But in reality we, the guys who buy the trucks pay those costs. The manufacturers pass every bit of their costs down to us in the form of higher prices.
There seemed to be a good balance point in the late 90s. Now we are at the point where the gains are smaller and smaller, but the costs to achieve those small gains are comparatively high. The regulatory agencies are happy to say that the auto manufacturers have the burdens of those costs. But in reality we, the guys who buy the trucks pay those costs. The manufacturers pass every bit of their costs down to us in the form of higher prices.
#4
There were other things missing from the article, like average fuel economy. 10 gallons of gas in 1965 would get you maybe 120 miles in a Mustang of that era. Today, that same 10 gallons would get you somewhere between 200 and 300 miles depending on the model. But, it's an interesting thought experiment.
I think in another 15-20 years the ICE will be going, going, gone, and that most vehicles will be some sort of electric drive. I saw an article yesterday that Tesla is designing their drive units (the electric motors) to go 1,000,000 miles.
I think in another 15-20 years the ICE will be going, going, gone, and that most vehicles will be some sort of electric drive. I saw an article yesterday that Tesla is designing their drive units (the electric motors) to go 1,000,000 miles.
#5
That is an interesting article. It would be nice to see something more contemporary and truck specific.
I have a gut feeling that truck prices have risen more steeply in the 5 years since that article was written.
All the manufacturers have added more bells and whistles...and nothing is for free.
I agree with what he said in regards to safety and price....part of what we pay can be traced directly to (antilock brakes, air bags, etc) safety systems and technology.
Don't forget the cost of pollution control systems and R&D/development to meet ever increasing MPG/CAFE requirements.
I have a gut feeling that truck prices have risen more steeply in the 5 years since that article was written.
All the manufacturers have added more bells and whistles...and nothing is for free.
I agree with what he said in regards to safety and price....part of what we pay can be traced directly to (antilock brakes, air bags, etc) safety systems and technology.
Don't forget the cost of pollution control systems and R&D/development to meet ever increasing MPG/CAFE requirements.
Partially this is caused by the nowadays truck buyers being a good percentage of people who do not need a truck, they are buying them to basically be a large luxury car, just like the SUV'S out now. I prefer to drive a car, unless I need a truck to tow or haul something very large or heavy. A truck is basically a tool in my world, but so many buy them with a luxury car cab. The makers have figured out their market well which is smart of them, build a truck to be a status symbol luxury vehicle, charge huge money for it, and they sell easily and in big amounts. I'm probably one of the few people left who buys an XLT long box.
#6
I don't know if I'd use that.. look at the Honda Accord back then. The Honda Civic replaced it 10 years after introduction. Then the Honda Fit replaced the Civic. The Accord of the 1970's are the same size as today's Fit and Fit has a lot more power.
Jeep Cherokee used to be huge, now it's a wittle SUV.
Corvette started adding more luxury features after the introduction of its cheaper brother, Camaro.
We should be doing it this way: is it possible to get a similarly equipped car for the same amount of money or less? Absolutely, I feel cars are quite a bit cheaper nowadays. Cars had power steering, windows, luxury features while trucks did not so it was expected for trucks to increase faster in price.
Jeep Cherokee used to be huge, now it's a wittle SUV.
Corvette started adding more luxury features after the introduction of its cheaper brother, Camaro.
We should be doing it this way: is it possible to get a similarly equipped car for the same amount of money or less? Absolutely, I feel cars are quite a bit cheaper nowadays. Cars had power steering, windows, luxury features while trucks did not so it was expected for trucks to increase faster in price.
#7
We should be doing it this way: is it possible to get a similarly equipped car for the same amount of money or less? Absolutely, I feel cars are quite a bit cheaper nowadays. Cars had power steering, windows, luxury features while trucks did not so it was expected for trucks to increase faster in price.
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#8
Gentlemen, as expected, your thoughts are amazing and thought provoking. The improvement in MPG's and overall maintenance is crucial to these calculations and you are all correct, this is an area that the author has forgotten about.
Let's go a bit further. In 1965 and in 1985, 84 and 96 month financing weren't even a thing for passenger cars and light trucks. Additionally, all the dealer and manufacturer added items such as ESP's, protection plans, GAP insurance, etc all add to bottom line and so many people buy into these products adding more and more artificial value to the deal.
Let's go a bit further. In 1965 and in 1985, 84 and 96 month financing weren't even a thing for passenger cars and light trucks. Additionally, all the dealer and manufacturer added items such as ESP's, protection plans, GAP insurance, etc all add to bottom line and so many people buy into these products adding more and more artificial value to the deal.
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