1973 F-100 idling issues
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1973 F-100 idling issues
Hello everyone; after letting my truck sit all winter I have recently encountered some problems regarding what I think is the carburetor on my truck. It will rarely idle and when it does it is a very rough, looney idle. I originally thought it was an ignition problem so I replaced points, plugs (which were very black for being ~1000 miles old) wires, and a rotary button. I then reset the idle on my carb until it ran smoothly, I assumed that it had been running rich before so I adjusted it accordingly until it smoothed out. This worked for about 30 mins until it started running rough again and now I’m back at square 1. Note: this is a stock 302 engine with the original Motorcraft 2 barrel carburetor. Also, I am seeing a lot of white smoke out the throat of the carb when I try to start the engine, and the choke is closed.
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In electric chokes there is typically a bimetal spring (like an old thermosat) housed in what looks like a really big black bottle cap. This spring controls where the choke plate begins at cold startup and slowly opens as it heats up via 12v current. If you loosen the retainer around the black choke cap, you can rotate it, increasing or decreasing the initial tension of the spring on the choke plate linkage. You should see the choke plate open or close as you do this, assuming all the pieces are there and nothing is stuck. The choke plate should only be cracked open slightly at first in most cases. There are also manual chokes without a spring and thermal chokes which are usually warmed by a small pipe connected to the intake manifold. You can get better info from the people here if you can provide pictures or numbers off the carburetor. Good luck!
PS. You might be flooding a bit if your choke is completely closed and you're seeing white smoke out the top. The smaller the gap, the richer it starts, the wider (more air) the leaner it starts, so closed choke will be really rich.
PS. You might be flooding a bit if your choke is completely closed and you're seeing white smoke out the top. The smaller the gap, the richer it starts, the wider (more air) the leaner it starts, so closed choke will be really rich.
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In electric chokes there is typically a bimetal spring (like an old thermosat) housed in what looks like a really big black bottle cap. This spring controls where the choke plate begins at cold startup and slowly opens as it heats up via 12v current. If you loosen the retainer around the black choke cap, you can rotate it, increasing or decreasing the initial tension of the spring on the choke plate linkage. You should see the choke plate open or close as you do this, assuming all the pieces are there and nothing is stuck. The choke plate should only be cracked open slightly at first in most cases. There are also manual chokes without a spring and thermal chokes which are usually warmed by a small pipe connected to the intake manifold. You can get better info from the people here if you can provide pictures or numbers off the carburetor. Good luck!
PS. You might be flooding a bit if your choke is completely closed and you're seeing white smoke out the top. The smaller the gap, the richer it starts, the wider (more air) the leaner it starts, so closed choke will be really rich.
PS. You might be flooding a bit if your choke is completely closed and you're seeing white smoke out the top. The smaller the gap, the richer it starts, the wider (more air) the leaner it starts, so closed choke will be really rich.
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Have you adjusted the idle mixture screws? It's that or the choke for idle. Try going clockwise until they are closed all the way, then come back open 1 1/2 turns on both screws. Then try to fine tune it from there.
Also, when was the last time your carb was taken apart for cleaning/new gaskets, etc? You could have a stuck float, or a saturated float that doesn't float anymore.... My truck had a stuck float when I got it and flooded constantly until I found the problem. It still sounds like you're running too rich, especially since you mentioned very black plugs. If you rebuild/tune the carb and it still doesn't behave, then your problem may be ignition or timing related. It doesn't cost anything to check your grounds..
Also, when was the last time your carb was taken apart for cleaning/new gaskets, etc? You could have a stuck float, or a saturated float that doesn't float anymore.... My truck had a stuck float when I got it and flooded constantly until I found the problem. It still sounds like you're running too rich, especially since you mentioned very black plugs. If you rebuild/tune the carb and it still doesn't behave, then your problem may be ignition or timing related. It doesn't cost anything to check your grounds..
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Have you adjusted the idle mixture screws? It's that or the choke for idle. Try going clockwise until they are closed all the way, then come back open 1 1/2 turns on both screws. Then try to fine tune it from there.
Also, when was the last time your carb was taken apart for cleaning/new gaskets, etc? You could have a stuck float, or a saturated float that doesn't float anymore.... My truck had a stuck float when I got it and flooded constantly until I found the problem. It still sounds like you're running too rich, especially since you mentioned very black plugs. If you rebuild/tune the carb and it still doesn't behave, then your problem may be ignition or timing related. It doesn't cost anything to check your grounds..
Also, when was the last time your carb was taken apart for cleaning/new gaskets, etc? You could have a stuck float, or a saturated float that doesn't float anymore.... My truck had a stuck float when I got it and flooded constantly until I found the problem. It still sounds like you're running too rich, especially since you mentioned very black plugs. If you rebuild/tune the carb and it still doesn't behave, then your problem may be ignition or timing related. It doesn't cost anything to check your grounds..
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Originally Posted by CelticOne
Have you checked for a vacuum leak? This is the issue I am having with my truck. My leak is at the base of the carb.
Also make sure ignition timing is straight. Retarded ignition timing will also reduce manifold vacuum. A strong manifold vacuum signal through the carburetor idle circuit is what makes it work, there simply isn't enough air moving through a carburetor at idle otherwise. Though it's called the idle circuit, it is in play well into the transition zone, where most driving is done.
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Bingo. Any vacuum leaks, even very slight, whether intake manifold, carb base, throttle shaft or wherever will make tuning idle mixture impossible. Engine may ping, it leans things out.
Also make sure ignition timing is straight. Retarded ignition timing will also reduce manifold vacuum. A strong manifold vacuum signal through the carburetor idle circuit is what makes it work, there simply isn't enough air moving through a carburetor at idle otherwise. Though it's called the idle circuit, it is in play well into the transition zone, where most driving is done.
Also make sure ignition timing is straight. Retarded ignition timing will also reduce manifold vacuum. A strong manifold vacuum signal through the carburetor idle circuit is what makes it work, there simply isn't enough air moving through a carburetor at idle otherwise. Though it's called the idle circuit, it is in play well into the transition zone, where most driving is done.
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Try a new gasket and check for more vacuum/fuel leaks....around the throttle shaft, carb base, etc.
Then run that puppy hard......