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Engine tag Found!!! Need help deciphering

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so the mystery " what is it" allegid 352 in my 64 F250 which I know was swapped in May now be able to be identified. The P.O. or someone. Used a wooden gate bolt latch to the intake for a throttle return bracket. I just went to replace that wth somethiby new and found the engine tag sandwiched under it. Need a little help deciphering!! All of the 65+ code indexes I've found do not show numbers. In the 700 series. They skip right over them. Any help ?
 
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Originally Posted by derekxj

Engine size: 352 / Year: 65 = 1965 / Engine Assembly Plant code: C

4 K = Assembled October (K) 1964 (4) / Engine code number: 780 = 1965 352 2V

Source: 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog .. Engine ID Chart .. Text Section 60 .. Pages 12 & 15.

I cannot do anything with the J or the N as the parts catalog doesn't say what these codes were used for.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy
352 engine size / 65 = 1965 / C = Assembly Plant code

4 K = Assembled October (K) 1964 (4) / 780 = 1965 352 2V
very interesting. Thanks so much!!! Can I ask what source you found this in? What I'm really trying to find out is what the engine came out of. It's presently mated to an NP435. The odd thing is albeit a 65 Engine, according to tag anyway it has the oil fill in front of the manifold which from my research thus far - they only put on ford cars prior to 64. Perhaps early 60s.
 
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Source: 1964/72 Ford Truck Parts Catalog .. Engine ID Chart .. Text Section 60 .. Pages 12 & 15.
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1958/64 FE engines were only installed in cars, have rounded valve covers without holes for oil cap or smog valve (introduced 1961).

Have an engine oil fill tube at the right (passenger) front side. If the smog valve is present, it threads into a boss of the intake manifold just in front of the carb.

If the block was a 1958/64, the bolt pattern where the motor mounts (steel/rubber insulators) bolt on, has a different pattern than 1965/76 FE engines.
 
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So my engine has a strange combination of all of the above. 65 and later valve covers with fill on the Dr. Side and vent to the carb on the passenger. Yet has the road draft tube and oil fill tube on the right front.
 
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Originally Posted by derekxj
So my engine has a strange combination of all of the above. 65 and later valve covers with fill on the Dr. Side and vent to the carb on the passenger. Yet has the road draft tube and oil fill tube on the right front.
1965/67 with a road draft tube. It's located in the hole at the rear of the right (passenger side) valve cover where the smog valve would be with PCV
 
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My road draft tube is plumbed into the intake behind the carburetor. Perhaps intakes / heads were swapped at some point with older stuff.
 
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Sounds like you have a major mis-match.

Photos will help greatly. If the PCV is @ the back of the intake, it indicates an early style intake (even though this early design was used on some HP/PI applications until 1967 I believe it was). The oil filler tube was also the source of fresh air for the early PCV (Open System).

Rocker cover design changed in 1965 (PCV incorporated in rocker covers).

Of course, assembly and design changes will vary by dates and LT can be different from PASS CAR.
 
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Truck parts catalog pic shows the road draft tube (basic part number 6758) just where I said it would be, in the hole at the rear of the right valve cover.

If a 1965/67 has a smog valve, it's located in a rubber grommet in exactly the same place.

1968/76 FE's all came with PCV which was introduced in 1961 and was mandatory in all 1961 and later FoMoCo vehicles sold new in CA

 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy

Truck parts catalog pic shows the road draft tube (basic part number 6758) just where I said it would be, in the hole at the rear of the right valve cover.

If a 1965/67 has a smog valve, it's located in a rubber grommet in exactly the same place.

1968/76 FE's all came with PCV which was introduced in 1961 and was mandatory in all 1961 and later FoMoCo vehicles sold new in CA
I think what he is describing is a 1963/1964 FED PCV Car Install that was on the back of the intake previously used for a road draft tube. His doesn't sound as factory assembly.
 
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Originally Posted by KULTULZ
I think what he is describing is a 1963/1964 FED PCV Car Install that was on the back of the intake previously used for a road draft tube. His doesn't sound as factory assembly.
In post #1, the OP posted a pic of the engine ID tag. Post #2, the tag decodes to a 352 from a 1965 F100/350.

What the heads, valve covers, intake manifold are from, I haven't a clue...as the OP hasn't posted any pics other than the engine tag.
 
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Originally Posted by NumberDummy

In post #1, the OP posted a pic of the engine ID tag. Post #2, the tag decodes to a 352 from a 1965 F100/350.

What the heads, valve covers, intake manifold are from, I haven't a clue...as the OP hasn't posted any pics other than the engine tag.
Correct, he found the Engine I.D. Tag (that alone is a miracle after all of these years), but the engine has been modified. Just pointing that out...
 
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All we know at this point, and we can't even be sure of that, is the intake came from a '65 352 - and that's only if someone didn't remove the engine tag and move it
 
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Originally Posted by Krewat

All we know at this point, and we can't even be sure of that, is the intake came from a '65 352 - and that's only if someone didn't remove the engine tag and move it
If the intake was from a 65/ app (non HP/PI), it would not have the PCV provision on the rear of the intake (in fact it should have been cast over). He would have had to use the OEM rocker cover system as Bill illustrated (and that is road draft - could have been converted to PCV)).

SIMILAR IN APPEARANCE TO BELOW

 
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SO, what are the #s on the intake and heads?
 


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