All you 450 guys,

My 450 is scheduled to be built the week of April 9th. My original plan was to replace the Continental HSRs (steer axle tire) on the rear with Continental HDRs (drive axle tire). Are any of you 450 guys running this config? What are your thoughts? How are the HDRs in the snow? I am really rethinking that plan. Mainly due to a lack of positive comments about Continental tires.

My current plan is to replace all Continental tires with Toyo M920s. Thoughts?

Good idea? Bad idea? Any recommendation is greatly appreciated.

Thanks

 

I'm still waiting on my 450, but have already talked to my local tire shop about swapping out the stock Continentals for 245 Toyo M920's myself. They said that they could give me $150 for each, if they back out of that my wife's uncle owns a business that has a fleet of trucks that run the stock 225 Continentals and he said he would give me $150 for each if Les Schwab doesn't hold up to their offer.

 

I replaced my tires on the 2nd day I took delivery of my 450 with 245 toyo's m920's I'm in northern Ontario I have driven through a couple of snowstorms with them (1 storm was so bad I was in Michigan and had a friend 20 mins behind me I went through on Hwy I75 and when he got there they shut the Hwy down) the truck handled it no problem. This is my 5th dually 1st 450 and this is the best handling of them all.


With stock tires the day I picked it up





With 245 toyo's m920

 

Also with 245's there's 1 1/2" of clearance

 

I agree. M920's all around. The HDR's are barely better than the HSR's and not worth the coin to swap to. I know a few guys with M920's and they are very happy with the result. The only decision after that is whether you want to keep your HSR's for summer use and get a second set of rims for the M920's. If you do, I'd contact Ron's Rims. Ron can get you an amazing deal on a second set of rims. With the longevity of the two sets, figure your set for well over 100k miles in that scenario...

https://www.ronsrims1.com

 

I took my new F450 out in the snow / ice before they plowed and then took my F150 to repeat the test. I didn't find the OEM HSR tires to be an issue. Both trucks climbed the hill in 2 wheel drive without problem. The F450 couldn't climb in 2 wheel drive after stopping, intentionally spinning the tires, stopping again, and then trying to climb out of the rut - my F150 could (barely though). Both backed up a smaller hill in 2 wheel drive without issue, and both did fine in 4 wheel drive.

I suppose it depends on how deep the snow is and how often you need to drive in it.

I also don't have any wandering issues. I run 80/70 PSI in the tires. When I tried the door sticker pressure (90/80), I felt a slight wander. I think that is because the pressure is too high for the weight on the tire, causing an uneven contact patch. The tire spec sheet says 70 is more than enough. I am running 80 in the fronts as a test right now, as they seem to get hotter at 70 than 80. I will use my IR gun to test this more scientifically sometime. At any pressure, they sure get hotter than the passenger tires on my F150.

 

The only comparison i have is to get in my bay door to my shop is a slight incline the door is 10ft wide but you need to come in straight then turn when the truck is halfway through the door so you need to go at it slow. The day i picked up my truck the yard was snow covered and as i went in the door the rear started to spin i had to put it in 4wd to get in also driving around that day i kept trying to put it in 2wd and the truck would just spin out at every stop sign. with the toyo's the next day came in the shop in 2wd and drove around in 2wd no problem no spinning at all same conditions both days

 

Downer, another option for you is the Michelin XDE2+, especially if you wanted to upsize from the 245s, but this would require a wider rim.

I picked up my 450 in one of the two snow storms we had this year in NJ and with only a few inches of snow, 4wd was required on any sort of incline to avoid the rears from just spinning. The Michelin's are much better, although they do not have any siping in the treads that I believe the Toyo920s have. If the Toyo was offered in a 265, I definitely would have went with them.

 

For stock wheels I'd go with the 245's like Bronc71 did. I had my Rickson wheels from my 2008, so I went with the 285's and more aggressive M608Z tires. Brutus looks pretty bada$$ in person, pictures don't cut it.

 

the 920s are an amazing tire. We put a couple sets ona couple of our F550s here at work, and on the one truck, we are at 55,000 miles. The traction and wear on them if you rotate religiously is amazing. You cant go wrong. and the ride and tracking is so much better with this tread vs a more aggressive tread.

 

Johnpsz,
You say your wives uncle has a fleet of trucks running the 225 Continentals…What does he do with those trucks/tires? Why does he run them?

Bronc71,
I have been reading your posts about your truck…yours is one of many positive reviews of the Toyo tires. Very nice truck by the way.

I really appreciate all the information that you have posted regarding 245s on stock wheels, spacing between the DRW, etc.

Karl4Cat,
Keeping the HSRs for summer use is definitely a possibility. Thanks for the link to Ron’s Rims I hadn’t come across their site in my searches.

2009kr,
You seem to be one of the few who are running the HSRs. I appreciate your feedback regarding traction, wandering and pressure. I will be looking forward to your pressure versus temperature analysis.

jlalanas,
How are the Michelin XDE2+s for wandering? I have heard they are worst than the HSRs.

Stalwart,
Brutus is bada$$ in pictures, I can only imagine in person. Maybe down the road mine will grow up to be like Brutus.

PwerStroke99,
That is what I keep hearing...which is why I want them on my truck.

I really appreciate all of your feedback.

Thanks,

 

[QUOTE=2BSDowner;17076059]Johnpsz,


jlalanas,
How are the Michelin XDE2+s for wandering? I have heard they are worst than the HSRs.

Almost zero wandering under normal conditions, if you hit un-even pavement, they may a little, but much less than the HSRs did.

I'm running 70 psi all the way around, which is about where I had the HSRs, and the ride with the Mich's is much better.

 

Thanks wherever I stop with that truck all I get is complements they are a beautiful machine that's for sure
Before I ordered my truck I was looking on this site and a lot of other sites as well and was very concerned about getting the 19.5 tires I am glad I was able to talk to a company that runs these toyo's On around 300 trucks
After running as many Dually's as I have I am very happy with my decision

 

Yes, my wife's uncle has a fleet of medium duty trucks for his commercial landscaping company. He has 13 trucks running 19.5 rums and the same tires size of the stock Host's, he has about 8-9 lighter duty 1/2 - 3/4 ton trucks too.

 

Hey Bronc71, are you planning on running your m920's in the summer too or getting another set of tires? And what was your reason for going 245's instead of the 225's? Aesthetics? Sorry if I missed you posting these answers on another thread. Thanks.