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tiger13e 04-10-2009 10:53 AM

hp and mpg increase with aftermarket bolt ons
 
I was thinking of putting a set of headers and k&n air filter kit and new coils on the 07 EL. Just curious of any mileage improvement if anybody has added these things to theirs.

Beechkid 04-10-2009 11:36 AM

Headers: With replacement of the oem muffler, you'll be looking at about 15 hp increase and about 1-2 mpg.

Coil packs: OEM equipment is very good and most aftermarket units provide no better performance.

K&N Kit: IMHO, waste of $. While elimination of the oem plastic tube inlet does provide additional air flow/performance, combined with a good oem replacement filter will give you a couple of hp and another 1-2 mpg. if you go online and check for air filter flow test you will find this In summary, wix, ac delco etc actually flow as well as any other hipo filter for a oem engine and the post filter flow characteristics are actually better than K&N.):

RESULTS

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(14x3" Results Chart)
(14x4" Results Chart)

The established performance brand of choice has quickly become K&N. They claim a substantial flow advantage over paper. Our results show this to be fairly accurate. The only filter to outperform the cotton gauze filters are the Nascar qualifying filters by WIX Racing. Unfortunately, these Wix glass fiber filters are very expensive and not washable. However we tested it to obtain the highest possible flow value in each category. As the results show, the K&N 14x3" and 14x4" are down only 25 cfm, flowing at 97% of the Nascar filters. Nearly even are the AIS (Air Inlet Systems) prototype versions of the same material.

We don't see the paper filters show up until about 91% of max flow. The Fram 14x3" flows a bit under 800 cfm. Interestingly, the AC Delco 14x4" (paper) flows nearly the same as a 14x3" cotton gauze. Right on its tail are the two foam filters at a hair over 90%. Now, this is where it gets interesting. Paper filters range from 91% to 69% in airflow capacity. The Moroso paper filter we paid $15.95 for did pretty good, as far as a paper filter is concerned, came in second with about 90%. Then there are the middle of the road paper filters, all pretty close, can't really choose a winner there. Wix gets to open and close the list. These last models are designed for extreme off road service with superior filtering efficiency, and not intended for normal service.

Who claims what? When K&N tests at 0.3" H2O, using a standard, cylinder head air flow conversion formula and extrapolates to 1.5", they may not be making a correct assumption. We are dealing with a restrictive medium, not a free flowing cylinder head port. They claim 50% greater flow with a K&N over paper. Our results show this claim to be quite a bit off! Most paper filters rated between 80 % and 90% of the cotton gauze types. Amsoil claims to marginally outflow K&N but this could not be shown in our test. Both Accell and Amsoil foam filters flowed about as a good as a premium paper filter, around 90%, indicating that the foam filters are getting better.

Also note the swirl coefficient. The more turbulent it is at the entry to the carb, the more venturi buffeting occurs, which can disturb atomization of the fuel. The higher the number, the greater the turbulence. This factor should be considered. It seems that the shorter filters create more. Another aspect is using a filter that is big enough for the engine power levels. The flow numbers listed are close to the established CFM requirement for engines. It is easy to see that some combinations should be avoided. A slow speed engine may not suffer so much with a restrictive filter but it could cost as much as 20 hp on a high RPM race motor. The average 300-hp street motor will stand to gain around 10 hp from the best to the worst.

In conclusion, the cotton gauze filters are the best flowing filters when new. Being reusable, and with proper maintenance, it may be the last filter your hot rod needs. Paper, if you are willing to replace it often, will flow very close to cotton gauze. The foam filters are also reusable and probably more resistant to washing damage. Foam will The foam is down 10% on airflow capacity, which puts it about even with a quality paper filter. Priced at about 2/3 for the same size in cotton gauze, it's a viable alternative. At and average of $8 for a paper filter, $35 for a foam, and $50 for a cotton filter, we are talking about potentially a 10-hp difference on a V8. From the chart, you can tell if the filter you are using is big enough. With this information on hand, you are better equipped to decide which filter is best for you. F/M

Air Filter Flow Test
14" x 3" Round Flow # @ 5" H2O % Flow Rating Swirl
Brand Part # Size Material
Wix 46945R 14x3 Glass 860 CFM 100% 119
K&N E-1650 14x3 Cotton 835 CFM 97.1% 126
AIS Cotton AF3C 14x3 Cotton 830 CFM 96.5% 121
AIS Cotton AF3C-2 14x3 Cotton/Synt 830 CFM 96.5% 130
FRAM FRM4 14x3 Paper 791 CFM 91.9% 128
Moroso 97080 14x3 Paper 776 CFM 90.2% 131
Amsoil 52 14x3 Foam 774 CFM 90% 140
Purolator APF74 14x3 Paper 736 CFM 85.6% 146
AIS AF3 14x3 Paper 724 CFM 84.1% 148
Wix 42095 14x3 Paper 721 CFM 83.8% 149
Wix 42095R 14x3 Paper 712 CFM 82.8% 143
Fram CA136 14x3 Paper 710 CFM 82.6% 142
Edelbrock 1217 14x3 Paper 701 CFM 81.5% 154
NAPA/CompPol 22095 14x3 Paper 693 CFM 80.6% 155
Wix 42095 14x3 Paper 674 CFM 78.4% 163
Wix 46947R 14x3 Paper 595 CFM 69.2% 175

Air Filter Flow Test
14" x 4" Round Flow # @ 5" H2O % Flow Rating Swirl
Brand Part # Size Material
Wix 46944R 14x4 Glass 907 CFM 100% 116
AIS Cotton AF4C 14x4 Cotton 883 CFM 97.4% 116
K&N E-1690 14x4 Cotton 882 CFM 97.2% 121
K&N 61-4020 14x4 Cotton 880 CFM 97% 120
AC Delco 697C 14x4 Paper 825 CFM 91% 132
Accel (dry) 70004 14x4 Foam 820 CFM 90.4% 120
Amsoil 25 14x4 Foam 820 CFM 90.4% 131
Motorcraft FA705 14x4 Paper 814 CFM 89.7% 131
Wix 42096 14x4 Paper 813 CFM 89.6% 132
AIS AF4 14x4 Paper 803 CFM 86.5% 138
Fram CA3492 14x4 Paper 796 CFM 87.8% 126
MotoMaster 2330090 14x4 Paper 788 CFM 86.9% 135
Wix 42096R 14x4 Paper 786 CFM 86.7% 136
Wix 46946R 14x4 Paper 683 CFM 75.3% 155

RRranch 04-10-2009 12:39 PM

If you use a K&N in my area you will be rebuilding your engine a lot sooner than normal. They don't seal worth a crap and don't keep the dust out here.

Headers are just a pain I think. I can't even imagine having to tighten the bolts all the time on a newer one like yours. Not much room to work under there.

chuck s 04-11-2009 08:33 AM

What muffler(s) are going to give me 2 more miles per gallon? Just curious.

-- Chuck

heymrdj 04-11-2009 09:44 AM

I put Flowmaster 50 Delta Flow SUV muffler no mine (single in single out as 04 Expeditions have no room to have a second pipe routed). It increased my highway mileage by .5-1.5mpg, almost 2mpg at high speeds like 80mph. City driving, because the larger pipe causes a slight loss of low end torque while increasing high end horsepower, lowered by like .3-.5mpg.

chuck s 04-12-2009 08:27 AM

Thanks.

-- Chuck

jbracefan1977 06-13-2009 01:45 PM

I have the same K&N also and love it, I could not find a good deal on ebay so I found a discount coupon here: K&N E-1690, or you can try one of the vendors on the forum here, you can usually find a good deal that way as well. This was very easy to install and I love it. good luck :-drink

Tylus 06-13-2009 04:47 PM

if you want more HP, get a good tuner

if you want more MPG's...drive very conservatively.

Originally Posted by Beechkid (Post 7370323)
Headers: With replacement of the oem muffler, you'll be looking at about 15 hp increase and about 1-2 mpg.

huh?

not unless you custom tune the PCM. The O2 sensors are going to be in a different location...so you have to adjust the pulse timer so the PCM gets a correct reading



even then...15 ponies on a Modular motor?
more like 5 HP...unless you get that custom tuning...even then...maybe 10 HP.

berry1234 06-15-2009 11:00 AM

I highly doubt a simple muffler swap would give you 2mpg gains. That is 10% better gas mileage.

Beechkid 06-15-2009 04:32 PM

Reply
 

Originally Posted by tylus (Post 7606643)
if you want more HP, get a good tuner

if you want more MPG's...drive very conservatively.

huh?

not unless you custom tune the PCM. The O2 sensors are going to be in a different location...so you have to adjust the pulse timer so the PCM gets a correct reading



even then...15 ponies on a Modular motor?
more like 5 HP...unless you get that custom tuning...even then...maybe 10 HP.


Should have said, muffler, tune, & high flow filter

Tylus 06-15-2009 04:59 PM

with exhaust + intake + tunes you can get about 20-25 more HP from the 300 HP 5.4 3v...safely. If you want more gains, they are there, but the A/F gets kinda scary


longtubes are such a huge PITA, that unless you are running a wild built motor or Forced Induction, the gains are essentially worthless versus the money spent ($700+ for shorties...about $1,200 for lontubes)

Beechkid 06-15-2009 08:14 PM

Reply
 

Originally Posted by berry1234 (Post 7612122)
I highly doubt a simple muffler swap would give you 2mpg gains. That is 10% better gas mileage.

I gained 1 mpg with the muffler and about another 1 with the tunes (both city/hwy), the bed cover will say just made the mpg gain more "solid", but my ram air (self built) cai system actually did the most in city mpg...my current mpg totals are...

City (regular traffic): 16

City (very heavy Traffic): 10-12

Hwy: 20-21 with peaks (ya know, no traffic, wind at your back, etc) up to 23 mpg


Also I am running a Hooker Aerochamber (outflows Flowmaster per air bench testing)
MPG is based upon tank fills.

montecarlo31 06-20-2009 12:05 PM

While I can't speak for a expedition as the one I drive is bone stock, on every other vehicle I've added a Cat back exhaust to (magnaflows) I've picked up 1 to 1.5 mpg without a tune (f-150 2v, Grand Prix GTP, GTO 6.0L). The Oxygen sensors don't move locations on a cat back system and they will adapt for the increased air flow. I could see 2 mpg if the factory exhaust is restrictive.

SWV10 07-07-2009 09:58 PM

Cat-backs are the way to go. Better sound over stock, increase HP and better mpg.
I did the cat back on my F150 4x4 5.4L and now I avg 22mpg @ 70mph on the highway, cruse on/with air.
Even hot-rodding through the mountains I can get 18.

eddiemoney 07-10-2009 09:19 AM

Anyone have any good videos of catback or custom systems?

I have found 2 videos on youtube, but nothing great.


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