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Avbird 01-11-2009 11:48 PM

transmition fluid change
 
I am getting ready to change my trany fluid. The factory proceedure is to replace the drain plug. This seems silly anyone keep their plug? Also I plan to use Amsoil ATF, any thoughts on the best fluid? I have used Amsoil for all my cars and really liked it. Its a synthetic fluid.

Omahastro1 01-12-2009 09:12 AM

I have never replaced the drain plug. Depending on what year you have the torque converter can be drained also. Mine is a 99 and the torque converter as well as the trans can be drained needing 16-17 quarts for a refill, but it does the trick. As for fluid if you like Amsoil go for it. I can't afford Amsoil but most transmition oils today are mostly synthetic any way, The main thing is to change it and the filter and use a name brand fluid. Don't forget the transfer case while you are under there. Make sure you can loosen the fill plug before draining. In the transfer case I used M1 in it as it only takes I think 2 quarts. When I drained my transfer case the fluid was burned. So I put regular fluid in it for 500 miles to flush it out, then changed again with M!.

jguti 01-12-2009 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by Omahastro1 (Post 6999090)
I have never replaced the drain plug. Depending on what year you have the torque converter can be drained also. Mine is a 99 and the torque converter as well as the trans can be drained needing 16-17 quarts for a refill, but it does the trick. As for fluid if you like Amsoil go for it. I can't afford Amsoil but most transmition oils today are mostly synthetic any way, The main thing is to change it and the filter and use a name brand fluid. Don't forget the transfer case while you are under there. Make sure you can loosen the fill plug before draining. In the transfer case I used M1 in it as it only takes I think 2 quarts. When I drained my transfer case the fluid was burned. So I put regular fluid in it for 500 miles to flush it out, then changed again with M!.

What is the best way to drain all of the 16 - 17 qts. of fluid?:confused:

jg

Omahastro1 01-12-2009 03:51 PM

If your truck is so equiped, it will have a rubber plug at the bottom of the bell housing. Pull plug turn the engine either with a wrench or starter button to line up the plug in the torque converter with the hole in the bell housing. Take out plug let it drain, the torque converter drains slowly. Drain the pan with the drain plug, pull pan change filter, put back together fill check when warm, off you go.

madsonp 01-12-2009 05:57 PM

Some years may not have a drain plug on the tranny pan, my 99 does, my wifes 97 doesn't. If your doesn't you need to loosen the pan bolts (more on one side) and drain it out the pan that way (it can be a messy pain in the a^^ if your not careful). Either way you want to pull the pan completely off and change the filter also. I doesn't do you much good to change the fluid, if you don't change the filter.

tseekins 01-12-2009 06:12 PM


Originally Posted by jguti (Post 6999852)
What is the best way to drain all of the 16 - 17 qts. of fluid?:confused:

jg

Have it professionally flushed at the dealer or another place that you trust. I have mine done every 35k - 40k and it costs me $130.00 at the dealer. I think Merc V is running just north of $4.00 per quart plus cost of screen and gasket if it's not re-useable. If you have to drop the pan, you won't know that until you do. Lets see, that puts us at about $85-$90 for parts and fluid and you still have to do the work. I do as much of my own work as possible but some things IMO are not practical.

Tim

Avbird 01-12-2009 10:02 PM

Tranny fluid change
 
I have an 06 Expedition. According to the dealer service manual, the pan, filter and gasket are replaced as one unit. The other thing I find odd is that the system only takes 5 quarts. I have read the torque converter replacememt procedure and it still only calls for five quarts and that includes draining the transmittion. My questions are:

1. Could the 2006 only has 5 quarts in the entire system compared to older models that some of you have taken 17 quarts out of?

2. I understand the value of replacing the filter, but are you all replacing the filter and everything with each ATF change? It seems like there would be some value to re-up the lubrication value of the ATF but not necessarily change the filter each time. I have 20k on my 2006, I don't need a change yet but I like having a synthetic fluid and I have always heard that a new tranny really tires the fluid fast so its good to change the first change early.

3. What am I missing with taking the ATF pan off? Several people seem to indicate that this is a big job. It seems like it would be really easy.

Sorry if these questions seem silly, this is my first Ford since high school (dad's old 1978 F-150); I can hold my own on old volvo's and nissans though.

Thanks!

Avbird 01-12-2009 10:15 PM

Tranny fluid change
 
I have an 06 Expedition. According to the dealer service manual, the pan, filter and gasket are replaced as one unit. The other thing I find odd is that the system only takes 5 quarts. I have read the torque converter replacememt procedure and it still only calls for five quarts and that includes draining the transmittion. My questions are:

1. Could the 2006 only has 5 quarts in the entire system compared to older models that some of you have taken 17 quarts out of?

2. I understand the value of replacing the filter, but are you all replacing the filter and everything with each ATF change? It seems like there would be some value to re-up the lubrication value of the ATF but not necessarily change the filter each time. I have 20k on my 2006, I don't need a change yet but I like having a synthetic fluid and I have always heard that a new tranny really tires the fluid fast so its good to change the first change early.

3. What am I missing with taking the ATF pan off? Several people seem to indicate that this is a big job. It seems like it would be really easy.

Sorry if these questions seem silly, this is my first Ford since high school (dad's old 1978 F-150); I can hold my own on old volvo's and nissans though.

Thanks!

madsonp 01-12-2009 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Avbird (Post 7002471)
1. Could the 2006 only has 5 quarts in the entire system compared to older models that some of you have taken 17 quarts out of?

Here's what page 139 of your owners manual says:

Transmission
fluid
1

Motorcraft
MERCON
V
ATF
4R75E 13.9 quarts


Secondly, let me ask you this, would you change the engine oil and not change the oil filter ????? Same concept.

Pulling the pan isn't that big of a job, however if your pan doesn't have a drain plug, it can be messy if you're not careful, hence the pain in the a^^ from spilling tranny fluid all over the place. I've gone swimming in tranny fluid before when the pan slipped while removing it to drain, it's not much fun. My expy has the drain plug on it so that's not an issue any more.:-jammin

jguti 01-12-2009 10:56 PM


Originally Posted by tseekins (Post 7001007)
Have it professionally flushed at the dealer or another place that you trust. I have mine done every 35k - 40k and it costs me $130.00 at the dealer. I think Merc V is running just north of $4.00 per quart plus cost of screen and gasket if it's not re-useable. If you have to drop the pan, you won't know that until you do. Lets see, that puts us at about $85-$90 for parts and fluid and you still have to do the work. I do as much of my own work as possible but some things IMO are not practical.

Tim

That's what I thought.:-drink

Nice ship! What is it?
jg

madsonp 01-12-2009 11:03 PM

Also, when you have one of these it's real easy to do :-jammin (sorry, I couldn't help it, I got to rub it in)

https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...id=184568&.jpg

:-bigparty

lzrj 01-13-2009 09:14 AM

I thinking about just doing a pan drain and filter change. Am I right in that they say Mercon and Mercon V are compatible? I figure I will just change the fluid in the pan once a year which always keep fresh fluid in there and after several years it will be like a complete change. Also I would like to change the transfer case fluid but not sure on the procedure on that. Can anyone tell me? Its on an 01 5.4 with AWD

expy37at 01-13-2009 01:23 PM

Every other oil change I drain the pan and replace with ~6qts of fluid.

vettman80 01-13-2009 01:56 PM

vettman80
 
for those of us that do not have a vehicle lift or hoist but want to catch most fluids menards and home depot carry plastic leak pans that go under washing machines these are 3 inches deep and work great at catching spills and cost 12.00 i dont use them for oil changes but when dropping a tranny pan they work great:-drink

expy37at 01-13-2009 02:40 PM

Thanks Vettman, I 'm getting ready to change my filter.


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