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nevrenufhp 12-15-2007 08:11 PM

Cat 3406B or C, and a Cummins KTTA19, what else would you need? Skip the ISX, go with the big dog. The only comparable engine to the Cummins 19 litre is a CAT 3408, or Mack E9.

westtntrucker 12-15-2007 09:05 PM

I would have to go for nostalgia and go back to the rig i learned on a Freightliner cabover with a 318 detroit and a 4 and 4 trans. Yea, not the most powerful by any means, but, there ain't no sound like a 2 stroker winding out.

tjc transport 12-16-2007 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by westtntrucker
I would have to go for nostalgia and go back to the rig i learned on a Freightliner cabover with a 318 detroit and a 4 and 4 trans. Yea, not the most powerful by any means, but, there ain't no sound like a 2 stroker winding out.

nah. a 318 ain't that good.

a real Detroit is a 12V92TT, with a 5X5 trans setup.

it will pull a mountain cross country, and let the wife know you are coming home 2 hours before you get there. :-D

rbaker6336 12-16-2007 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by westtntrucker
I would have to go for nostalgia and go back to the rig i learned on a Freightliner cabover with a 318 detroit and a 4 and 4 trans. Yea, not the most powerful by any means, but, there ain't no sound like a 2 stroker winding out.

the 318 was a hell of a motor in its day and I thought had a nice sound but I think my ears are still ringing 30 years later from detroit scream

was the freightliner you drove a white freightliner with air shift or a later model
the air shift was a bear to get use to

starmilt 12-16-2007 02:57 PM

I have driven 5 9 10 13 15 18 4x4 5x4 6x4 4x4 air shift seen 5x4 air shift never driven tho weird mack trannys but have never seen or heard of 5x5. the stock kta's would not pull with isx cum. could be modded but would not work in todays world because of fuel cost.

Kenworth 12-16-2007 04:04 PM

The old KT Cummins are expensive to fix. I know one of the log haulers was looking at a off highway HDX with Cummins KT power he said to me they got lots of power but when they need rebuilding they cost 3 times more to repair than the same truck with 12v71 power which most old Hayes HDX were powered with.

It is pretty hard to beat the current engines for power and fuel economy.

The worst mechanical engine out there is gotta be the old 2 stroke detroit

Here is a 318 8v71

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9j7V08Cncs

tjc transport 12-16-2007 04:37 PM


Originally Posted by starmilt
I have driven 5 9 10 13 15 18 4x4 5x4 6x4 4x4 air shift seen 5x4 air shift never driven tho weird mack trannys but have never seen or heard of 5x5. the stock kta's would not pull with isx cum. could be modded but would not work in todays world because of fuel cost.

1969 Autocar. 12V92TT Detroit, with a 5 speed main trans, and a 5 speed auxiliary trans, and 100ton planitary drive axles in it. first gear was around 1/4 mph, and top speed was around 52mph.

i pulled a 500 ton sectional trailer with it. i forget the name of it, but it was made in Italy. there were 32 tires per section, and there was a total of 15 or 16 sections.
each of the sections could steer independently of the others for tight turns, and could raise and lower somewhere around 36 inches. average tow speed was 10 mph loaded, but i could go top speed empty if i wanted to.

westtntrucker 12-20-2007 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by Kenworth
The old KT Cummins are expensive to fix. I know one of the log haulers was looking at a off highway HDX with Cummins KT power he said to me they got lots of power but when they need rebuilding they cost 3 times more to repair than the same truck with 12v71 power which most old Hayes HDX were powered with.

It is pretty hard to beat the current engines for power and fuel economy.

The worst mechanical engine out there is gotta be the old 2 stroke detroit

Here is a 318 8v71

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9j7V08Cncs

Thanks for finding that. That brought back some memories as I have also drove a early 70's KW that was 2 tone green witha 8v92ta aka. silver 92.
Here is the truck after being refurbished. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_quB6NOUYqY&NR=1
Looks better, sounds better.

Dang it, I thought i had squashed that bug years ago. The one that wanted to do the same thing them boys did with that KW. Thanks to you it has now resurfaced. Hahaha.

mnmwhit 12-20-2007 07:09 PM

444 is a Navstar motor NOT CUMMINS

Originally Posted by westtntrucker
Yes the 444 cummins was not up to snuff against a 550 cat. The reason being, two entirely different motors. The 444 was a mechanical motor and the 550 is a computer motor. Have you driven a 525 red head cummins? I'll take that motor over any of the big block inlines out there today. Also keep in mind that engine choice in a semi is the same choice we have buying a pickup. All personal choice.


nevrenufhp 12-20-2007 07:14 PM

But, Cummins had an engine (N14)rated at 444hp.

westtntrucker 12-20-2007 08:13 PM

Actually it was NTC 444 = non computer. The n14 series was the computerized models. Then theres the big cam motors which we won't get into.
and that is the cummins engine we are talking about.
Not the t-444 e Navistar engine that is very close in DNA to the 7.3 liter that is in our pickups

Kenworth 12-20-2007 10:36 PM

I like the old A model Kenworths they are a nice looking truck. The orignal smokey and the bandit movie sort of iconized the old A model. In that movie they had one that was Cat powered and I'am pretty sure the other one was 318 Powered.

If you driven a 8v92 you should remember this sound :-D
www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqeZUiicbwY

Here is 2 for the screaming detroit lovers

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jfpS...eature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJfCq...eature=related

Kenworth 12-20-2007 10:43 PM

Here is 444 Cummins

www.youtube.com/watch?v=znXilozkYX8

westtntrucker 12-21-2007 08:53 AM

I don't think this guy has a 7.3 in his truck. Watch the truck on the left. It is from Canada's loaded diesel drags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jxv2h...eature=related

Kenworth 12-21-2007 06:44 PM

I think those two trucks drag racing are both Cat powered or the Pete it Cat powered judging by the black smoke. You turn up the fuel in a Cat it will belch black just like in the you tube video.


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