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Hi, Folks

I am German, live here and travel sometimes to USA.

Last Journey I found a PickUp in the back of an old Garage.

It´s a 51 with Flathead. The Sign on the hood say´s it´s an F8 BigJob.

Now I get a little confused....

Did the BigJob had the same outer-Size than the F1?

The Tranny feels like a 5 Speed, the engine is a FlatHead V8, but how could I identiffy if it is a small or a big one?

Here are 2 Pics of it

http://pic.autoscout24.de/images-big...94486047_1.jpg



http://pic.autoscout24.de/images-big...94486047_4.jpg


Could somebody Identify this?

BEst regards from germany

Volker

This truck is not a f-8 big job, those were semi trucks. This appears to be an f-1. Have you bought this truck? These trucks only had 3 speeds and 4 speeds. Definetly a flathead "as you stated' the size of it is 239. Do you have the vin for it? That could answer some of your questions. JOE

Welcome to FTE

1952 F1 1/2 ton pickup. Correct (heads marked 8RT) 239 ci Flathead V8. I'm guessing F1 because the truck appears to have thin line whitewall tires. Very few 16" tires were thin line whitewalls. F1's came with 15" wheels (5 lugnuts, 5.50 bolt circle), F2's came with 16" wheels (8 lugnuts, 6.50 bolt circle).

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Hi!

The Tranny is a 5 speed with reverse, that was easy to find out.

The Vin with the Vin Decoder says 52inline.....

The Hood Decal says F8 Big Job

I hope i have not paid to much, there are several new Metal Parts with it, Engines runs, Carb leaks.....

The hood, or the trim piece that says F8 may not be original, as the same hood fits all the 1951/52 models except COE''s. There were no F8 pickups. An F8 has a GVW = Gross Vehicle Weight of 22,000 lbs. The largest pickup made was an F3.


Reverse isn't counted as a speed when it comes to transmissions. The Ford 3 speed transmissions was standard equipment, a 4 speed was optional. 5 speeds transmissions were only offered for F7's and F8's. A former owner may have swapped in the 5 speed, and added the F8 badge.


Your truck has the last style of flathead V8 made, and is the correct engine for this year. The VIN engine code for a 239 V8 is an R. An Ford inline engine (aka L head) of this vintage would be a 6 cylinder. The VIN code for a 6 cylinder is a D.

Suggestions:

Shop manual: faxonautolit.com

1948/56 Ford Truck Parts Catalog on CD: hipoparts.com

Excellent reference book: Standard Catalog of Light Duty Ford Trucks / krause.com / ISBN: 0-87349-411-3

Hi!

The VIN in the Glove is F6M2BF12192 and several others.

The Tranny has 6 Positions, so 5+reverse

What would be a realistic price for this? How quick the car will be with the original Engine?

Ach du lieber!

The picture you posted is of an F1 pickup.

The VIN says: F6 = F6 (not F8) / M = 254 6 cylinder engine / 2 = 1952 / BF = Assembled in Buffalo, NY. Someone has changed something, as none of the VIN matches the truck you posted pics of.


Is the VIN you posted on the registration or on the actual VIN (Rating) Plate? As original, the Rating Plate is either on the inside of the glove box door, or on the A piller, visible when you open the door.


Price = no idea, sorry...there will be other FTE members who own these trucks (I don't have one) chiming in later with all sorts of info.

The truck is no speed demon. The rear axle ratio will be at least 3.70-1. Add the 5 speed...you will prolly be passed by Goggomobiles on the Autobahn.

Hi!

There are not so much Goggomobiles here on the highway......

So that will be no problem

I think about kick that out before shipping it. I have a 5.0HO in the corner, so maybe I dropp that in with an automatik.

I will post engine and Transmission in the Adds......

BTW: I have 2 or 3 Trimmparts from my 64 Galaxie left ove, if yyou want....

I could have substituted Trabant (or Wartburg) for Goggomobile, but figured there's less of those remaining than Goggomobiles. Goggo's are rare here (CA) too. The last Goggo I saw was in the Speyer Transportation Museum. There is a fellow locally who has an original Messerschmidt he drives on occasion. No one has a klew as to what it is...well, almost no one. :)


Thanks for the offer on the Galaxie parts, but most 1964 trim pieces are different than 1963's.

Hi!

Don´t want to go to far from this, but a friend build a trabant with a 383 Stroker instead of the original 22hp 2 Stroke engine....


But thanks for identifie the engine, that helps

That must not only be the fastest Trabant in the world, but also the most reliable Trabant in the world.

Good luck with your "new' truck.

Welcome to the board!!

It sure sounds like there has been some changes made to your truck over the years.

Good luck with it
Bobby

Bill has your vin sorted out. The truck has been cobbled together apparently. Basic body I'd say is F1 - at least the front fenders look like it.

If the box on the back is 6.5' it's half-ton. If it measures 8' you've got F2 or F3.
The hood is from a '51. "FORD" on the nose badge tells that. Front top grill panel isn't punched for the FORD letters either so I'd say the whole front clip is from a 51.

The 5 spd transmissions were used with the big trucks, F7 and F8 as indicated, BUT the F7 had an Overdrive 5 spd as standard with a straight drive 5 spd optional. The F8 had the straight 5 spd as standard equip with the 5 spd OD optional.

I've never heard if the big truck transmissions mate up with the 239 8BA flatheads or not, so I'm curious about this one.

Summary: Glovebox door is '52 F6
Main body - ?? Check the firewall for data plate.
Chassis - count the leaves in the spring packs.
Front clip - '51 F1
Hood - '51 with F8 badge strips
Tranny - F7 or F8
Engine - 239 flathead V8 used in F1-F6 trucks.

You've bought a truck that has had some switching of parts. The hood is a '51, as is the upper radiator panel (across the fenders, above the grille). It appears someone switched glove box doors, or just the VIN plate in the glove box door.

Not sure if you are near the truck now, but a picture of the tranny would help immensely. Any 5-sp would require cutting the trans crossmember drastically, and honestly I don't see someone going to all that trouble for a truck in this condition.

As for value, I wouldn't give more than $500 for it, unless it is much better than it looks in the pictures (no offense). The flathead is worth that if it isn't cracked or full of water.

I could have substituted Trabant (or Wartburg) for Goggomobile,
Geez, I remember my dad always bragged about how he had a goggomobile motorcycle when he was dating my mom in Germany. We're talking 1930's and 40"s maybe. Must of been the hot thing back then. I didn't think anyone knew what they were? LOL...

Dick,

I think you should get one of those, I'll bet you could get it to fit in the back of your panel.......

Bobby

Hi

I have the Infos I needet, Thanks folks

As Present here a picture from the quickes Trabant 601 in Germany


http://www.astro-van.de/ahm-shop/images/trabbi.jpg

Looks like a fast Trabant to me???? One word here:
Ausgezeichnet!
I'm bilingual in German... Smile!

I bet that is one fast little car. I have a 51 F1 and it came with 16" wheels on it. They was 5 on 5.5, as far as the truck's value it is hard to quess a price with just 2 pics, but I think it is worth more than $500 dollars. Heck a car you take to the scrap yard here will bring almost that. Looks like the glass is in pretty good shape and the front fenders look to be buildable, most of them are to far gone when you find them. And as said before the flathead motor is worth that. I've sold a cracked motor that could be fixed for $350. I had a 48 F1 that I sold, so I could buy the 51 I have now and it would need about as much work as yours does. Mine need glass put in it and the flathead was cracked in it also. It need alot of work and I mean alot and I sold it for $1800 dollars and I didn't even give half that for it when I bought it. But I did buy alot of body panels for it. All in all it looks like you have a good truck to build. Like I said I have a 51 also so if you need some pics of certain things just let me know and I will try to help you out. Scott


1951 F1

Hi!

I think it´s more worth, The Wood-Bed is rotten, the stepps also, but the fenders are enarly without rust, new Trunkdoor, interior is ok exept leather, Glass is eprfect, frame ok, engines makes no Water-Smoke

But to go on germany Highways I think an 302 Injection will be the betetr choice.

I have from a 66 Galaxie Front and Rear axles with Disk Breaks, I think i will check if that fits......

I work with a guy who is from Germany, he has been here for 12 yrs I believe. His name is Detlef. I would say he is around 45-50 yrs old. He has some great storys to tell. Sorry back to your truck. I think a 302 would be a good choice also. I would want to keep the flathead if it was mine, but the storys I've heard about the Autobon(maybe mispelled) I don't think a flathead would be a good choice to run those kinds of speeds all the time. Try to post some pics of your truck. Scott

Dennis Carpenter sells a new wood bed kit, that is planed and rabbited, but unfinished. It comes with the hardware to install. He also sells new metal bed strips. FTE has several sponsors who provide free catalogs of all the parts they sell. Two are: NPD and Blue Oval Truck Parts.


I still think your truck has 15" wheels. The thin line white wall of the size (1" w/w) on the right front wheel of your truck were introduced in 1963. US cars back then had 14" or 15" wheels. Only 3/4 ton trucks usually had 16 inch wheels, and I've never seen a thin line white wall of 16 inches on anything.

Ford trucks with 15" wheels (1940/1996) are 5 lug = 5.50" bolt circle (exc 1980/82 F100). 1960/64 Galaxies are 5 lug = 4.50" bolt circle.

Hi!

Thanks for that, but I will invest some work in that Truck.

The thought is:

New Engine, maybe a overdrive Automatik (we have Traffic Jams, too), run on Liquid Propane Gas (2.7 a Gallon instead of over $6 a Gallon Gas), and longer the bed and frame to carry Motor Cycles on it. The Galaxie Axles are from 66, otherwise install Disc Brake Coversion Kit in Front. I´m shure that the original Axle, when overhauled and well served, will take a speed from 1ooMph and more without problems....

If somebody wants the tranny and the engine, give me an offer. The engine runs without Water-dust in the exhaust

From 1965 thru 1972, Galaxie/LTD's used 15" wheels on a 4.50 bolt circle. The 1973/78 Galaxie/LTD's used 15" wheels with a 5.00 bolt circle.

This is from the Motor Wheels Catalog, some may find it interesting.
http://4tl8ford.com/Documents/Ford%20wheels.pdf

The whels I have on it now are 15"x8", the original wheels that I sold was 16"x4.5 or 16"x5". I sold them to bobj49f2 that is on here sometimes. He bought them to put on his panel truck. My dads 46 ford truck 1/2 ton had the 16" wheels on it to just like my 51 did. I'm not a expert but every original 1/2 ton I have seen a car show has the 16's on it. The site that Dick put up is right. My truck didn't have white walls on it either, so are we talking about the same truck here. There are a couple of good pics in my gallery of the old wheels that was on my truck, if you want to check them out.

Scott B.
1951 Ford F1

the bigger trucks had double frames. You can look on top of the frame up front for the vin also. I bet you have that vin, and a different vin on the glove box/door post. Mine was that way too...parts put together.

Are you seriously intending to drive 100 mph any distance in this truck? You're going to need something bigger than a 302. I'm thinking big block. I would not want to be going that fast in any of these... I can only imagine what your fuel consumption would be at that speed too.

Hello,

I'm not sure if you ever got your questions answered as much as got a lot of information. The glove boxes and glove box rating plates on these trucks got changed around regularly. It would appear that the truck you are refering to (I can't see the pictures) was probably one that someone build or started to restore with parts from other trucks - thus the mixing. But, there is a third place the SERIAL number (there were no VIN numbers on these trucks) of the truck is located. It is stamped into the top of the frame, on the drivers side, just above the shock absorber mount. Try that for a more reliable number. There really isn't much of a reliable way to tell if it's an F1 or higher now as it is probably a composite. The F2 and up had heavier suspension (the leaf spring numbers mentioned above) but they also had larger wheels - leading to the only "body" difference in the trucks. The cut out in the fender for the front wheels was smaller on the F1 ONLY. If you look at your truck, and the arch for the wheel opening does NOT extend above the horizontal line made by the horizontal crease in the back half of the fender, it's and F1. The F2-F6 wheel opening size is 2 to 3 inches (50-75 mm) above that crease line.

Also, don't be disuaded about the value of the truck. Again, I can't see the pictures, but if the truck is a "5 Star Deluxe Cab" it may be quite valuable (up to $3500) if it has certain parts. If you would like to send me the pictures of the truck directly, (inside and out please - drivers side and passengers side) I'll see if I can't give you a better idea, and also, I can provide you with a list of those "Deluxe" parts. I have not seen ANY F1s that are in restorable condition selling for less than $1500 (US) in California for the past few years. The Deluxe cabs going for $2500-$3500 depending on parts.

Please feel free to contact me at: sandidande@cox.net if youwould like more help.

Good luck and have fun with your truck!
Dan

My personal opinion is that this is an F1 truck. Someone bought it without a title, and used the Rating Plate off the F6 to register it.

I still say the wheels are 15 inches. I've been in the old car hobby for nearly 50 years, have owned 100's of cars and trucks, and have never seen a 16 inch tire with a thin line whitewall. The right front tire as pictured has a thin line whitewall on it, making it a 15 inch wheel. Thin line whitewalls of this width were first used in the mid 1960's, and are still available today.


My reference says: The serial number is stamped on the left side frame rail near the steering box.

The number dummy is probably right, and I think one thing is certain - this truck is a "mut". As I stated earlier, I haven't seen the photo's. Thin line tires were popular in the 60's and early 70's and had a cousin in the "Red Line" tires as well (I had them on my '67 GTO).

6.00x16 or 6.50x16 tires were STOCK on all F1s. 6.50x16; 7.00x16; or 7.50x16s were stock on F2s. 7.00/7.50x17 were stock on F3 (except Parcel Delivery). The F4 had one model stock with 7.00x18s, and the rest of the F4s up to F8 had 20 inch tires. But who cares about tire size? You can change out a wheel tire combination on these trucks as fast as a glove box door or rating plate. And many people (including myself) have gone to non stock 15 inch wheels. And yours have probably been changed too. Chances are that someone had a couple of these trucks and took the rusted body off one and threw spare body parts off a number of others onto the heaviest frame. So, I would imagine that your chassis is probably fairly consistant with the serial number on the frame and the body parts are mis matched. And they were all the same except fo rthe F1 front fenders which had the smaller wheel openings (which technically means the upper and lower fenders - they were two pieces).

As far as the Serial Number location on the frame is concerned I guess you can quote the books and say it's next to the steering box. My sources (my eyes - I'm standing here looking at mine) tell me Number Dummy is more correct with the location than I told you earlier - it is just abreast the forward edge of the steering box - about 9 inches aft of the shock mount. I stand corrected.

Its been pretty well documented on this site that the books indicate where Ford said it should be - however in real life it varied by assembly plants or by where the stamper happened to be standing. It certainly isn't a point that can be argued.

I have two '48's and both are stamped on the right frame rail just behind the motor mount x-member.

Yep, I couldn't agree more!

Hello!

Thanks for all that help.

MAybe i asked to early. The truck will go end of month in a container and will be in Germany Mid next (hope so)

I will make a complete Blog from it....

Shure that we cann togehter identify it....

Hello!

Good luck on your project! I'm sure it will be fun and rewarding! If you ever need any help, this site is a very good place to get it. Also, I have been restoring my 1951 Ford F1 Five Star Deluxe Cab pick-up for two years and have a thorough list of sources for information and parts, and many documents and manuals.

If you ever need any help - with anything feel free to write to me anytime at sandidande@cox.net

Best wishes,
Dan