Titan HD Diesel on the Way - 2009
 

Read here:

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...09/1041/SEARCH

"It will be a truck that requires a "diesel application and some other things," he said. But he said that Nissan will not offer a heavy-duty model in that time frame to compete with the Silverado 3500 or Ford F-350 Super Duty pickups."

So what's the point then? Why go through the trouble of designing a 3/4 with out a 1 ton truck?

because the duellie can follow latter. they are going for market share, and there are a lot more 2500 owners than 3500 owners. they want to get their name out then latter on worry about the 3500 application. if it is going to be a huge flop, they don't want to make it a belly smacker.

Exactly. Let's be realistic. Most F250 owners can haul everything that they need to haul in a Ranger. But F250s are not bought by people who need them, they are bought by people who want them.

Let's face it. The public wants "Big Manly Trucks", not "girly" trucks like a Ranger. I describe it as trying to buy what Mother Nature didn't give you. Sorta like Botox, only a little lower.

What is flopping are the tailgates on the Chevy trucks http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...03/1041/SEARCH

You hit the nail right on the head. Most likely they will build the 2500 frame to be a 3500 frame. Then they just add bigger springs and dual rear wheels and they're in business. Much like the differences between the F250 and F350.

Also what Nissan does, Toyota will do as well. I can't believe it actually took this long for them to get into the HD diesel market. If the Nissan doesn't sell well, you can bet that the Toyota will on name alone. I'll admit that I'd definitely take a serious look at the Titan HD and a Toyota 3/4-1ton truck.

After my last 2 Fords and the problems they've had, I'm ready to consider alternatives.

Mike

jschira, I totally agree. Especially considering I bought an F-250 PSD. I don't need anything near this capable, but it's what I wanted. I've never owned a car, nor do I plan on it (as a daily driver).

My thoughts are that most people that actually do need a F250 and actually use them won't even look at this truck from nissan so what your gonna get is just as stated above. I am not much better although when I bought my F250 PSD I actually did need it (I was still farming at that time) and actually with some of the stuff I hauled probably should have had the F350. But now that I do own it, and it's paid for I ain't gonna trade it off just because it's more truck than I actually need.

If my GTO could pull my trailer, my X would be gone. I don't use it much, but when I need it, I gotta have it.

now if they would throw in a nice standard bumper 5 year, 50k warranty........it would be something else!!!!!!!!

That's a very negative, condescending statement directed towards a great number of people you know very little to nothing about.

Well I have to have a F250 but bought a F350 this time. ($50.00 more) My truck is off road every weekend at the farm or at one of my deer leases. I will not consider any foreign vehicle even if its made in America by Americans. The profits still go to a foreign country. Profit is the bottom line, period. Just listen to the news. Ford and Chevy, profits down, plants close, Americans laid off. Funny now that Dodge is foreign owned they are not closing plants. Just my 2 cents, Charles

Mr. Jones i cound not agree MORE>>>>>...... :-X22

Who the hell are you kidding? I don't know about your area...but the trucks are being used. Whos to say that they didn't need the SD...and even if they didn't, whos to tell them what they do need? That's like saying that you don't need the GTO...you'd do just as well in a Civic. Come on man, get a grip already. I can't wait to see these design disasters.

So, by your category on your post, the owners of the Toy HD, or Nissan HD trucks are somehow more justified? How are these trucks going to sell so much better?

media bs. and sheeps.

Bring it on.

I do have to give him credit. There is A LOT of "yuppies" (I got in trouble for this about a month ago... a few "yuppies" went off on me) that drive a 3/4 PSD, that have no need for it. Sorry if I offend anyone but face the facts. They buy a 3/4 ton truck to haul their son's 50cc quad around to the park.

I also agree that people want to feel "Manly" and buy a big truck, yet a Ranger would suit them just fine. I myself drive a ranger, and drive er with pride. Ain't too many folks drive a 91 Ranger with close to 315,000 miles on er. Why do I do it? Because I could give a flyin (edited - language) less what people and society think of me!:D. If they don't like me because I drive a "Girly" truck, then they can buy me a newer, bigger one, or kiss my (edited: Admin - please see this forums guidelines regarding language)

I think I've said enough for the night! Just think about it in a big picture, not just what you see in your area. I think we can all agree that some people buy big honkin trucks for little to no reason. But at the same time, some people need a big truck, period.

I have seen alot of both in my area, those who don't need them and those who work the crap out of them. I would love to have a SRW F-350 PSD or V-10, do I need it, no but they look d@#$ good. Now if I can just find the money for one. :-X06

The people with SDs around here that don't work them FAR outweigh those that do. Most of those that do could do it with an F150.

But buy what you want. I will.

Mike

Im starting to think i might need a deisel full sized. I will tow a truck to off road events this summer but since i only have cash to opperate one truck it will also be my DD. I like to think this is the same deal with alot of SD owners and such. I know it is in my neighborhood back home. Theres a few guys that drive thir trucks day in and day out but come the weekend they are draggin the bumpers thier so loaded down it seems. 8D

I look at it this way I would rather have a truck that is over kill 99% of the time than have one that isn't enough that remaining 1% of the time when the difference could be a life or death situation.

It's hard to admit that you need Viagra.

This thread has gotten so far of track,

Nissan idea, is to complete with regular cab or V-6 models because they wanted to go for the heart of the market, that being where the growth was, and that was King Cab and Crew Cab, they are also trying to capture where their current vehicle fall short and that is a more heavier duty truck.
If the market is going more heavier duty truck, then that where manufactures of vehicles will try to sell their product. It not Ford, Chevy or Dodge fault for selling heavy duty truck, its not consumers fault for wanting them. If a consumer feels they need a super duty or a heavy duty truck, then that his choice.

The titan trucks don't appeal to me with that bumper which cover half of the front of the truck. I perfer the SuperDuty line which have more style and I love the solid front axle.
-Buck-

I could not care less what Nissan comes out with. I love my Fords and even if verybody else was buying Nissans I would still buy Ford. It has nothing to do with where they are built.Mr. Jones the profit does not all go to a foreign country. Much of it is reinvested right back here in the USA to build more factories and to set up more RD facilities. This adds to the companies overall net worth who's corporate office is overseas, but much of the real cash stays here. The rest gets devided up among investors all around the world including the USA. As for Ford and Chevy closing down plants because profits are down not exactly true. They are closing plants because sales are down. If they had properly read the market they would of seen the downward turn in sales and could have done cut backs before it affected their profits. The foriegn companies including DC now seem to be able to read the market, make predictions, and respond better and faster than Ford and GM. They are making a profit not because they make a better product, but because they are just better at doing business.

No, not really.

Exactly the point that I and others were trying to make in response to earlier posts.

Nissan doesn't need a 3500 because few buyers need a 3500. What buyers want is a big, beefy, manly-looking truck, a "want" that a 2500 serves quite well.

I think you guys should post a poll down in the SD forum to see what people are actually using these trucks for! I myself bought my F250 before I had anything to tow, yes I owned it for 9 months and the largest load it towed was a couple fo boats, I could have done it with a ranger! On the other hand I also knew that I would be buying a house, a camper, a tractor and few other things that would require at least an F250, yeh and now I wish I would have gotten an F350 so I would be legal! Maybe you guys don't realize that to be legal most poeple that are driving F250s and F350s should probably have F450s and F550s.

Heck my F250 is "legaly" rated to for 8800lbs GVWR and a GCWR of around 17k lbs. Well when I hook the camper and boat up I cross the scale just under 17k Lbs and I'm over on my GVWR!! The truck wieghs 7100lbs with no cargo. by the time I load up everything, get the wife, the dog, coolers, fire wood, the grill & extra propane tanks, and extra fuel for the boat ect ect I'm over my 1700lbs of cargo wieght!! Luckly the HPs don't harass the weekend warriors otherwise there would be a whole lot of people sitting on the side of the raod unhooking there trailors! Look at some of the toy boxes, the pin wieghts on some of those get into the 1500-2500lb range wich leaves no room to add cargo or passengers if these people want to be legal! The bobcat and trailor in my gallery towed great with my F250 V10 but a half ton would have struggled! Same goes for my boat and camper together and for that matter when I moved my tractor last fall I would have had to barrow a truck to do the job!

Now, I only drive my F250 6000 miles/year and I drive a Lumina as my commuter car, but 3-4k of those miles I put on I couldn't have anything less than what I have, out of the other 2000 or so 1000-1200 are thing I would need a full size truck for leaving only a 1000 or so miles that my truck is driven as a car! to all your own but I need my truck a lot more than you need a GTO, a focus could get you more place than your GTO can so its not a matter of need! I guess in the end I didn't need a boat or a camper, and I didn't need a house which would alleiviate the need for the skidsteer, the trailor, the tractor and a whole lot of what I haul from town back and forth. So when its all said and done nothing is really a need, if we lived by needs we would still live only to hunt for food, and live in caves because thats all you really NEED to survive!! Leave poeple alone and son't make assumptions when you don't know what your talking about!

I'm not a fan of the foriegn products but if it were to turn out to be a supirior product I'd have to look next time I'm in the market. On the other hand it would have to be hands down a better product without a reasonable doubt in my mind before "I" would buy it! The other thing is competition is good for the market, if they build a better product it will force the big three to tighten up the stirups and crack down on the things there getting beat by, which in the end turns into a better product line for us to choose from!

My GTO cost about the same as a 4 cylinder Camry or an Accord (yes, really). So you do the math. What would you rather drive everyday?

Camry . . . GTO? Camry . . . . GTO?

Wow. That's a tough call.

And no, I don't need it, and never said that I did. But let's look at the question again.

Camry . . . GTO? Camry . . . GTO?

Do you see "STUPID" written on my forehead?

I won't ansewer that in fear of getting this thread shut down but since you posted this earlier, if the shoe fits...................

I found this article 2day at Ford.com: http://media.ford.com/newsroom/featu...?release=22669

Scroll down to the middle of the page where it talks about a 3.6L diesel possibly going to be available for the F-150 and Expedition. I'm not trying to start something but showing that Ford isn't gonna sit around and watch the imports take the truck market away from them, IMO.

If it's true I'll be one of the first ones in line to buy a diesel powered Expedition. I would love to see Ford start being pro-active again and bring some inovation to the market.

It would be nice to see a bigger diesel engine in an F-150, the F150 frames and components are more than up to challange, just add beefer front coils and a quad shock suspension. Ford could also create a new line of F150's diesels trucks, on their frame lines, and keep the same body style, put a different badge "F-150 Diesel", that would be awesome.

I think that they would have the same problem that they have now with the Escape Hybrid. Two otherwise identical trucks, sitting side-by-side. One costs $5000 more than the other. The only real difference is the engine.

I don't think so, lot of customers would enjoy a diesel engine in their truck, more torque and more power and the capabilities of towing a bigger load.

That is definitely true, if ford offered a good diesel engine in the F150 I would buy it today. I have no need for heavy duty towing like the SD, but a smaller truck like the F150 would fit the bill perfectly.

It will only benifit the F150 if it gets "good" mileage (like 20+) and isn't priced out of the market, no matter if it has better towing potential or not a lot of F150 drivers aren't gonna want to deal with the hassel of the diesel unless it has these two things. The way it is now the tow rating shouldn't go up because the rest of the truck doesn't have enough heft to be towing more than 10k lbs saftley anyway, diesel or no diesel!! So who's gonna pay more for the truck if it is no more capable, doesn't get much better mileage, and cost more to buy and to maintain?? I surely wouldn't, now if its say a $2500 option and it'll get 20+ mpg on the highway I would buy one if an F150 suited my needs, although it would also have to gave acclereation like a gas engine and be quite enough that I could go through the drive though without shutting it off!

Well done man.:-X22

Who is to dictate what one needs, and what one wants? If we were living in a "need" based society, we'd all be communists. The fact is, people can own what they want. You can't call someone a yuppy, just because he owns an F-250 SD truck, and doesn't use it to the maximum amount possible. That person may have a large family, take constant road trips, needs the space, needs the power, likes the versatility for when it is needed, or just hauls stuff on the weekend, and finds the vehicle more comfortable. That's ridiculous to assume they don't need it.

jschira-Your GTO/Camry comparison could be held against the F-150/SD comparison you made earlier. You said Ranger, but we'll sub in the F-150 since it's got a similiar price, and applys to exactly what you were saying. Basically all you've done in this thread is call yourself out on your own double standards. Well done.


Now, who here is really surprised that the import companies are actually entering this market? It's no big secret that they've been planning the entry for a while now. Whether or not they can execute it, is another story. The import trucks have shown me nothing good in terms of styling, exterior and interior, and even though some people like to believe it, their reliability is no better. So I ask all of you...wheres the incentive?

can you give an actual breakdown of the profits?

Just a quick reminder - I think this thread was started to discuss Nissans potential new entrant to the HD diesel segment, not why people purchase an F250.

Interesting link there Miramichi_hockey!!!

In regards to that I loo forward to seeing what they make. But I think Toyota and Fuji have a better chance at the top of the mountain

Whats that supposed to mean? Keep in mind I'm 18, and years away from that stuff!;)http://images.ford-trucks.com/forums...ies2/thumb.gif