2007 Ford Diesel change
 

I was told this weekend that Ford was coming out with a new 6.8L CAT diesel and that will replace the Powerstrokes......anyone else hear of this????
Also, Dodge is going to a Mercedes Diesel and Chevy to Cummins........

Its going to be a 6.4 Navistar with 2 turbos. I am a Ford diesel tech and thats what the engineers tell us.

Thread moved to 6.4L Power Stroke Diesel forum.

-Matt :-tap

Either you are jerking our chain or someone jerked yours pretty hard.

lol thats the funniest thing I have heard...........

guys don't fall for this stuff anymore. it happens daily.

um, no, DERBYSTUD is absolutely correct. the 6.4 twin turbo will be out for the 07' model year. dodge has the cummins 610, gm now has like @650 ftlbs. now its fords turn to jump up some. it is the typical diesel war on its way up to the 700 ft.lb. and 400 hp mark.. it is just a matter of time...

I did not post this to "jerk your chain" I wanted to see if I was getting my chain jerked. The guy that told me worked for GM for 20 years and runs his own Banks installation business. He talks like he has some "inside" connection. I WAS NOT TRYING TO START ANYTHING...sometimes there is a "little" truth in what info you are given and I am trying to "weed" it out.

That's why I said YOUR CHAIN may be getting jerked pretty hard. Relax, no need to use caps.

well, the only way to really find the truth about which engine is to do nothing and wait for the truck or news from FORD which one will be out.. until then....................

Well, guess I will post this again.

The following is an excerpt from Diesel Forecast interviewing Timothy J.Cooney, Vice President of Worldwide Sales and Marketing for the International Truck and Engine Corporation

DF: The new 6.4L Powerstroke will have dual EGR systems with separate coolers. Are you still working on new technologies as far as engine combustion goes?

TC: Yes, absolutely. We're trying to look at each one of those and take advantage of those as quickly and expediently as we can. The more you can control the emissions outflow, the less expense then gets hooked onto the engine.

DF: Are you looking at 2010?

TC: There's no question. We have programs active and underway for the emissions for 2010 as well. Our immediate focus right now though, is launching perfectly the 2007 (product) to meet those emissions regulations. And while we do have programs going on in 2010, our energy is focused on 2007. And as soon as we get that launch off the ground, it's all hands on deck for 2010.

And There It Is Ladies And Gentelmen......

From what I've heard Ford is keeping the 6.4L tt engine, Dodge has a contract with cummins that goes through 2012 I believe, and as far as I know, nobody is changing manufacturers anytime soon.

I guess this all comes from the want for change. I had a poll on this site that ask what diesel people would like to see in there truck, and from what was vote for, it would be either cat or cummin's I6.

LMAO...he told you all the myths at once! He musta been kidding...

It will be a Corn Binder engine without a doubt! There are way too many of these out there for Ford to change in mid stream without a really good reason. If you look at the Navistar CTX big pickup, it uses the VT466 rated at 220HP. Plenty of power and fuel economy to tow anything. With fuel consumption a real issue, economy would be my greatest concern. This new engine is to meet emissions requirements and to hype HP to improve or maintain sales against the competition.

cummins contract is good through 2007. there is a thread going on now over at (dodge) dieseltruckresource.com that the rumor is a mercedes engine after 2007.the MBE900 series engine-still an inline six motor

That would be interesting for them (Dodge) if they went that way.
I wonder if it would attract more sales in the US
- I know here (despite the fact Dodges aren't sold here) it would.

If Dodge did go with MB engines then what would Cummins do? Would they just concentrate on their bigger engines or go after another automaker?

well see the thing is the MB diesel engine is already in use in the jeep liberty so full size trucks are not far behind. also they need something to pass the 07 smog benchmark and MB knows how to. they also must meet the 2010 benchmark. that is why ford is only going to have the 6.4 around for 3 years then the 6.7 will be released. the cummins has been removed from the freightliner options list and a MB is now standard.

That's the second time I've heard the numbers 6.7L. Anyone have any info on that? Man, trying to keep up with these engines is a task! we have the 6.4L, no official info, and now a 6.7l?

Yes and no...
The engine used in the Liberty was already in the current Mercedes Benz catalogue (we also get a diesel Grand Cherokee here).
There isn't a diesel with the capacity required currently offered by Mercedes.
There is the engines used in the Unimog (too heavy, won't meet emissions, or power/torque requirements).
Even if they did design an engine for it - the Ram is the only vehicle in which it could go into (and a detuned version in the Unimog)
They could do it, but I would find it pretty unlikely in the short term - while the Cummins still sells and meets emissions that is.

nick,

there is a very good interview with the president of IH on the net. it works like this. the 7.3 could not meet 2003 emissions so the 6.0 was brought out. the 6.0 will not meet the 2007 emissions so the 6.4 tt will debut but will not meet 2010 so the 6.7 will debut.

And there it is. 2010 ain't gonna be your grandpappy's diesel. And dats da truff.

I read that interview, but it said nothing about the 6.4L.

6.7l you mean... They mentioned the 6.4l PSD.

uhhhh...yeah, I meant the 6.7L, the interview specifically mentioned the 6.4L...thanks Big :-X22
I wish the edit function would last longer then 5 minutes...

It does...it lasts 60 minutes. :-D

-Matt :-tap

I guess nick meant 65 minutes. :-X24

Keith's right... :-X15

:-X03

Well, I'm not very happy about My 2005 4X4 Crewcab 6.0. I drove my truck without my camper and quads up the same mountains and the difference in "fuel" mileage was only about 3.4 gallons MPG. Thinking about all the threads that I have read. I guess Power has been the focus of Manufacturers instead of both power and mileage. Can't I get BOTH????? (without installing a tuner). My '96 and '98 Dodge got 10.2 mpg towing and 19 mpg highway. Both were 4X4 2500's. Are the NEW engines coming out going to provide both? I'm ready

emmissions/hp is the first problem mileage is last.....all though i did read somewhere that the US is going to require a 20mpg highway for all vehicles but i don't remember the year.

i am not sure why ford would stage it, and not just go straight to the 6.7 and start working from there with more emmisions compliant material following at a later version of the same motor.

I'm willing to bet that the technology needed for that is still in developement, it was said right in that interview with the International CEO.

Perxactly.

well ford sounds like its the ih motor tho they would do well to leave and go to cat gm will be stuck w/ the duracrap and cummins will remain a dodge option

duracrap? excuse me.... like somehow every 6 liter person has something to brag about?

don't even get me started.

Cat would make an awesome engine until Ford starts in screwing with things, like they did the IH motor.......(though that is purely speculation on my part)

I have something to brag about Stroked Lightning a 2004 6.0 ran

11.519 @ 119.26 mph at Houston Raceway Park Nov 12 2005.

GENE

I saw that video - it ran well Gene.

And it would appreciated if there was no brand bashing...

that's an excellent time, but nothing ground breaking for the chevy or dodge boys.

Dodge? Maybe not, but damn close. Chevrolet? HAH.