292 four barrel carb
Hey guys, first timer here, what car/truck would have a four barrel carb + intake for my 292 (1960??), and also, who sells a set of full length headers for it too??,
Thanks, Reichinator |
As you can see in the post below, Y-block 4 barrels in trucks were rare, and sounds like a dealer add on. The intake ECZ 9425-B
is the intake you are looking for, unless you pony up some serious cash for a new aluminum Blue Thunder. The B manifolds came out in Ford cars in 1957. Rather than look for a car as donor, watch e-bay. They come up there fairly often, usually around $100-150.00. Since none of the headers fit my 46, I havent kept track of the offerings, but know that Reds Headers makes them for Y's. Rams Horn manifolds are pretty slick for trucks if you can find a pair and afford them. Welcome to the site! |
Yep, so far as I know, Red's is it. The F-100 parts vendors like Sacramento Vintage who carry the full-length sets...carry Red's. Pretty much the same price, or more. Red is a good guy.
The ram's horns are eBay-ing for $350-$450 lately, even for scuzzy ones. x( The older four barrel intakes have the older bolt pattern & won't accept a modern carb without an adapter & all that that means. You don't want the older carb, even for free. The two intakes 46Y mentioned are the only two with the modern "Holley" bolt pattern. There are a few on eBay right now. The Blue Thunder runs about $350. I'm hoping, at some point in 2006, to put the 9425-B & the BT on the flow bench & do some testing in comparison, as well as port-to-port comps, & wet flow characteristics. :) It would be nice to see just what the $350 buys. At some point I would like to do some dyno comparisons on an "average" healthy, but streetable, 292+; but that will be awhile. Welcome to FTE!!! |
Originally Posted by Reichinator
Hey guys, first timer here, what car/truck would have a four barrel carb + intake for my 292 (1960??), and also, who sells a set of full length headers for it too??,
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4 bbl carb. and intake manifold 292 Y-block
As far as we know, there has never been an original intake manifold with a fitting 4 bbl carb. thereupon for the 292 Y-block V8. We know of some carb. spacers for mounting 4 bbl carb to original intake manifolds, but we are not sure if they are availible for the 292 c.i. Y-block with original intake manifold. Greetings, Spiker, http://www.fordfront.nl
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Thanks guys, i thought dad told me there were t birds and cars that came with a four barrel intake and carb, guess he's thinking of something else. i'll have to check out ebay then.
Reichinator |
Your dad is right. Like I said, the ECZ-9425-B 4 barrel intake came on 1957 Ford and Mercury cars. Not sure but I think it was also available on Mercurys up to 1960. They will fit any 272, 292 or 312, car or truck. Intake runners on the B manifold would be larger than the intake ports on your head I believe. It still should give an improvement in performance. If performance is the desire, you might be better off starting with some oversize valves from www.ford-y-block.com . 1.84 inch intakes to replace your 1.65s which were the smallest intake valve made for a Y.
I am in the process of messing around with the Autolite 2V carbs. Currently have one on which was a stock 1964 truck unit, with the 1.02 Venturi. It works great, but really liimits high end performance. I have an aggressive bid into e-bay on an Autolite 2V from a 1967 Mustang. Not sure yet but think the venturi size is 1.12. Should give a lot more top end. I'm just throwing you some alternatives. |
Reich,
I think we might have confused you a little bit, without meaning to. Here's a link to one of our regulars' web site, which should answer your question. http://m571.com/yblock/intake.htm 46's post summed up the common choices nicely. Spiker, I might be misreading your post-if so, I apologize. There were indeed 4bbl intakes for the earlier/smaller Ys, at least in the States. There is a picture of one in the above link. I am not aware of any 239s with a factory-equipped 4bbl, but as far as I know everything else was offered with one at least at one point. 1958-64 Ys were all two barrel, with some possible exceptions- as 46 noted, perhaps dealer installed. (?) |
Just to add a little to what Homespun has said: I have heard the Tea-pot 4 barrels (pre-1957) referred to as Towering Infernals, due to their propensity to flame up.
Homespun, the flow bench data would be very interesting. Mike |
OOps. The previous post should have read "Towering Infernos".
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Sanderson also lists a set of headers for Y Blocks in trucks, according to the last catalog I've seen.
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Infernos, Infernals, either way it fits. :)
Looking at the Blue Thunder intake, I suspect it will outflow the 9425-B "out of the box"; whether or not that in itself will add hp is another question. The plenum entry is obviously different & it wouldn't particularly surprise me to find that the Ford intake has 10-15 ft.-lb. more torque up to about 3500-4000 rpm. The short turn radius out of the plenum is smoother, though, & higher, and mixture distribution will probably be more even. Looks like fuel shear probably won't be an issue. The runners have a nice angle of taper. I suspect that even a moderately healthy 292 doesn't really need the BT- I think it is probably more suited for 300+ CI, or engines needing to turn 5500-6000 or more. It would work on lesser engines, though, and probably idle more smoothly than the Ford intake- just a guess. It is more attractive as well. :) So far as that goes, anything to lighten a Y-block can't hurt. Blue Thunder has a great reputation, which is well deserved in my view. I'm looking forward to playing around with testing it. :-D |
Take a Ford -B intake, bead blast it, give it a good coat of aluminum paint from Eastwoods, etc and you just saved about $300. I see absolutely no reason to use a BT on anything that is not going to be regularly exceeding 5000 rpm. Then you also need something better than stock ECZ-G heads to make it play to the max.
If you want LOOKS, then go with a 573 Edelbrock. With 3 94's on top I get all the performance I can handle with a .060 over 292 and Mummert cam. ECZ-C heads shaved .050 and chambers matched to within .5cc. |
286 I am sure you are right. I bought my BT solely for the weight loss, and anything else was gravy.
You said you cut off .050 from your heads? I havent heard of anyone taking them down that much. Did the intake have to be milled and pushrods shortened? What is the combustion chamber volume? |
Huh? .050" is barely touching the head, strictly a cleanup cut; no intake trimming necessary. I dont remember the finished cc details; it was over 3 years ago. However there was almost a 5cc total variance originally.
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