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prcrboy 03-16-2004 06:19 PM

Who was the one guy in school you wouldn't mess with?

The bully of course. If showing force is what it takes, then let's show force. And BTW, I am a veteran of the first gulf war and if Clinton had given the go ahead to put a bullet in a cetain persons head, then all this would be a mute point.

Foreign policy? How about we run another dictator out of a country he just invaded, get his opponents in his country to help (promising to help them) and then turn our back on them to die. Now if thats the policies (like clinton) that you want, maybe one of us should look for a different country.

If the "cowards" in the middle east want to use innocent women and children to wage a war in "gods" name, what will it take to stop them? Words? A slap on the wrist? NO, it will take only what they know, force.

Now, regarding Kerry, he scares me. He wants to return to the tax and spend policies of the past. Spend more on welfare and social programs. I agree Bush has spent way too much too, but we need less welfare not more.

If Kerry has been talking, name names. Otherwise there is no creditablity (spelling?) of what he is saying.

jpsartre12 03-16-2004 06:22 PM


Originally posted by Kannata
I don't get it.:confused:

Kannata

On edit: I should have put that one together.

green=frog=France

Well that's one anyway.

Actually, it was Kermit the Frog's saying, but in this instance, it was a double entendre, the other being green with envy. :)

Lots of countries around the world hate the US because they are envious of our wealth. I won't apologize for the fact that MY COUNTRY is prosperous because we practice Capitalism and NOT Socialism. Our ancestors tried Socialism once; they almost starved to death at Plymouth Rock.

FordFadgeole 03-16-2004 06:26 PM

jpsartre12
 
Who said anything about deserting Isreal?Seems Bush has done little to ease tensions is what I said.;) Do you consider invading countries negotiating?That sounds like shoot first,ask questions later policy.If Bush could have convinced Pakistan to seal off their borders,we wouldn't be looking for Bin Laden,we would have had him.Bush couldn't even get Pakistan to capture the fleeing terrorists.How do you figure it is effective foreign policy?If Suddam was a threat to the Middle East,why didn't they help get rid of him?Why couldn't Bush get them on board?The only help we got was Kuwait.Oh,thats right,we couldn't wait.Iraq is in no position to negotiate with anybody.That ought to be a no-brainer for Bush.

jskufan 03-16-2004 06:58 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jpsartre12

How about the removal of a cancer in the Middle East that threatened its neighbors? I'm sure that Kuwait, Iran and Saudia Arabia and happy to see Saddam out.



Maybe all those filthy rich oil barons living on one of the largest oil reserves in the world should have ousted Saddam themselves. I see how grateful they all are, gas jumped almost 10 cents in the last few days. Some say it will be up to $2 a gallon by summer. I'd probably agree with the Republicans that it was our responsibility to remove their dictator if I could just get past the fact that the very neighbors that will benefit most from his removal are perfectly happy sitting on their hands watching us do it. Heck, we couldn't even get Turkey to cooperate with us unless we gave them (how many billion dollars ??) and they bordered the madman. It's a good thing there's someone whose 6,000 miles away that's stupid enough to come in and make everything right. Maybe when we run out of money, someone from the middle east will step in and help us.

jpsartre12 03-16-2004 07:05 PM

Re: jpsartre12
 

Originally posted by Fordfaggiole
Who said anything about deserting Isreal?Seems Bush has done little to ease tensions is what I said.;) Do you consider invading countries negotiating?That sounds like shoot first,ask questions later policy.If Bush could have convinced Pakistan to seal off their borders,we wouldn't be looking for Bin Laden,we would have had him.Bush couldn't even get Pakistan to capture the fleeing terrorists.How do you figure it is effective foreign policy?If Suddam was a threat to the Middle East,why didn't they help get rid of him?Why couldn't Bush get them on board?The only help we got was Kuwait.Oh,thats right,we couldn't wait.Iraq is in no position to negotiate with anybody.That ought to be a no-brainer for Bush.
We're one of the few countries, responsible for the creation of the state of Israel, that has been unwavering in our commitment to its sovereignty.
If you think that you can negotiate with terrorists like the PLO, then you haven't been paying attention. Every time Israel proposes giving the Palestinians a homeland another bomb blows up in a crowded Israeli city. I'd love to negotiate with the PLO by sending an army of tanks and bulldozers to push them into the sea. Who'd screw with Israel after that?

As for the other Middle Eastern states NOT helping the US in Iraq, what do you expect from a bunch of unprincipled bandits that will even stab "their brothers" in the back at every possible opportunity. If they can't make money off of something, they aren't interested.

jpsartre12 03-16-2004 07:09 PM


Originally posted by jskufan
Maybe all those filthy rich oil barons living on one of the largest oil reserves in the world should have ousted Saddam themselves. I see how grateful they all are, gas jumped almost 10 cents in the last few days. Some say it will be up to $2 a gallon by summer. I'd probably agree with the Republicans that it was our responsibility to remove their dictator if I could just get past the fact that the very neighbors that will benefit most from his removal are perfectly happy sitting on their hands watching us do it. Heck, we couldn't even get Turkey to cooperate with us unless we gave them (how many billion dollars ??) and they bordered the madman. It's a good thing there's someone whose 6,000 miles away that's stupid enough to come in and make everything right. Maybe when we run out of money, someone from the middle east will step in and help us.
I have no great love of any of the bunch of OPEC thieves. I'd rather see us become oil independent than giving money to those greedy suckers. Unfortunately, we kawtow to Liberal politicians that block all oil exploration attempts in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, forcing us to suck up to the Arabs. As far as I'm concerned, sand is only good for one thing......making glass. }>

Montana Bronco 03-16-2004 07:45 PM


Originally posted by jpsartre12
Unfortunately, we kawtow to Liberal politicians that block all oil exploration attempts in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, forcing us to suck up to the Arabs. }>
I assume you are talking about that famous Liberal, Jeb Bush, governor of Florida and brother of George "Dubya" Bush.

One of his campaign promises as governor of Florida was that he would not allow off-shore oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico.

Glad to hear that he is now a Liberal....

jskufan 03-16-2004 07:50 PM


Originally posted by jpsartre12
I have no great love of any of the bunch of OPEC thieves. I'd rather see us become oil independent than giving money to those greedy suckers. Unfortunately, we kawtow to Liberal politicians that block all oil exploration attempts in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico, forcing us to suck up to the Arabs. As far as I'm concerned, sand is only good for one thing......making glass. }>
That's what I love about this forum. No matter what the problem is, religious or political, sooner or later it always gets dumped on those poor liberals. Everybody and his brother is driving a 3 ton sport utility vehicle getting 12 miles to the gallon, yet it's the liberals fault we're dependent on foreign oil. :confused:

marc9000 03-16-2004 08:05 PM


Originally posted by jskufan
That's what I love about this forum. No matter what the problem is, religious or political, sooner or later it always gets dumped on those poor liberals. Everybody and his brother is driving a 3 ton sport utility vehicle getting 12 miles to the gallon, yet it's the liberals fault we're dependent on foreign oil. :confused:
That's right - you're learning!! :) CAFE standards, the environmental / liberal brainchild, the one that informs the car makers that the buying public is too stupid to know what their fuel mileage should be, TOLD the car makers what fuel milage would be, effectively killing off 2 ton full size cars. In our free market, 3 ton SUV's took their places. Liberal, government meddling made things worse. The founding fathers really did know what they were doing when they wrote the 10th amendment.

marc

jskufan 03-16-2004 08:22 PM


Originally posted by marc9000
That's right - you're learning!! :) CAFE standards, the environmental / liberal brainchild, the one that informs the car makers that the buying public is too stupid to know what their fuel mileage should be, TOLD the car makers what fuel milage would be, effectively killing off 2 ton full size cars. In our free market, 3 ton SUV's took their places. Liberal, government meddling made things worse. The founding fathers really did know what they were doing when they wrote the 10th amendment.

marc

I hate to say it, but sometimes the lines between liberal thinking and common sense become blurred. Who would have thought that building land yachts again after the oil scare in the 70's would turn out to be a bad idea?? ;)

jpsartre12 03-16-2004 09:05 PM


Originally posted by Montana Bronco
I assume you are talking about that famous Liberal, Jeb Bush, governor of Florida and brother of George "Dubya" Bush.

One of his campaign promises as governor of Florida was that he would not allow off-shore oil exploration in the Gulf of Mexico.

Glad to hear that he is now a Liberal....

Last time I checked, governors of Florida didn't control off-shore drilling. :D

FTE Ken 03-16-2004 09:12 PM

Everyone here dodged the question and some hiijacked the topic.

Did he lie about it or not, yes or no?

Let's keep the bickering to a dull roar and answer the guy's poll.

jpsartre12 03-16-2004 09:19 PM


Originally posted by webmaster
Everyone here dodged the question and some hiijacked the topic.

Did he lie about it or not, yes or no?

Let's keep the bickering to a dull roar and answer the guy's poll.

If his lips were moving, he was lying. :D

jskufan 03-16-2004 09:28 PM


Originally posted by jpsartre12
If his lips were moving, he was lying. :D
Is there a truthful answer to this question unless John Kerry admits to it? Even if he does, it doesn't sound like he'd be believed. Personally, why does anyone care; we elect our own president without foreign intervention, can't we think for ourselves?

FTE Ken 03-16-2004 09:33 PM

He was asking for everyone's yes or no opinion. Instead, the topic was hi-jacked with bickering on both sides.


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