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DT 466Man 10-26-2003 09:44 AM

GT-40 heads for 351w
 
I was wondering what type of vehicles i could find gt-40 heads for my 351w ho

jwtaylor 10-26-2003 09:53 AM

You can get the gt-40 of various mustangs in the 90's and of course the lightning trucks and if I am not mistaken some lincoln 5.0's as well. Just keep in mind if they come of a 5.0(302) then the head bolt holes need to be drilled to acept your 1/2" bolts. You may wanna consider the gt-40p that came off the 971/2+ 5.0 exploers in stock trim they flow better than the gt-40 and you do need the special headers that run $220 but if you need headers then that isn't unrealistic and the headers can be used with other 302/351 heads I have actually been told that the special p headers flow better than regular headers due to the path the tubes are ran to avoid the plug angles. Hope this helps some good luck

DanTana 10-28-2003 10:46 AM

jwtaylor, That's great info...if I were junk yard hunting for those heads, what vin numbers or years would I be looking for on those to verify GT-40 heads?

jwtaylor 10-28-2003 02:32 PM

gt-40 came on a lot of engines the lightnings obviously and the mustang gt's I even think some lincolns had them. The gt-40p only came out on 97 1/2 - 2001 explorers/mountaineer with 5.0 96 down explorer/mountaineer 5.0 used the gt-40 so that would be an easy one to narrow down. I did see a mention of the possiblility that the gt-40 and gt-40p's on the explorer/mountaineers did not have the emmissions ports drilled so that is a minor plus. As smog port plugs are cheap and available.


I finally figured out some credible info

gt-40 have gt stamped on the head under the vavle cover lower right, and above the lower head bolt passenger side front there will be three horizontal lines. The plug angle will be like any other head


gt-40p have gtp stamped under the valve cover to the lower right of the head. Passenger side front lower head bolt there will be four horizontal lines. the plug angle will obviously appear closer to a 90 degree angle compared to the head. Hope this helps

jwtaylor 10-28-2003 04:22 PM

ON the last post to make it easier


The gt-40 on the passenger head to the left of the freeze plug there will be three vertical lines very noticable

The gt-40p have four lines in the same location this will make it somewhat easier to identify

TheWiz427 10-28-2003 05:49 PM

Will this help?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...oid=26391&.jpg

Chris_ce 10-28-2003 07:06 PM

Don't want to steal his thread but I have a question. Just want to make sure that the 5.0 gt-40 heads will accept a 351w intake.

jwtaylor 10-28-2003 08:06 PM

chris_ce

The 5.0 gt-40 are the same as the 5.8 however you would need the head bolt holes drilled to accept the 5.8's 1/2" bolts and yes the intake from the 5.8 (351) will work, good luck

jwtaylor 10-28-2003 08:08 PM

TheWiz427


Why yes that does help greatly, now do you need my address so you can send them to me? later

StangMan 10-28-2003 08:42 PM

Question: What Mustang's had GT40 heads? Just curious, since the Mustang 5.0L came with E7 heads. The Cobra's did have the GT40 heads though.

So why not buy a nice set of AFR's? ;)

DanTana 10-29-2003 07:51 AM

Now a more technical question about the GT-40's. How much better do they flow compared to "stock" heads and do they use bigger valves than them? Since they are coming off later model years I imagine the chamber sizes allow for around 9.0-1 or 9.5-1 stock compressions?

jwtaylor 10-29-2003 08:17 AM

Follow the link, keep in mind that overall the 351 heads in the 80's were nothing more than 302 heads with larger bolt holes so they were overall junk. The gt-40 and gt-40p have around 60- 62 cc +/- combustion chambers compared to the average 69 cc of usual stock heads so yeah your compression will go up. Take a look
http://www.jason.fletcher.net/tech/f...a/castiron.htm

jwtaylor 10-29-2003 08:55 AM

I would hate to go here but I think I will just for sake of info. MM&FF did a recent article where they flowed the E7's against the p heads as well as many other manufactueres. Of course they sucked but what they found when they flowed them and then used the formula to figure potential hp they actually exceeded the figures, I would say their thinking leaned towards the way the heads flow improve hp and tq as compared to the actual flow number. They were able to make 350 hp and 400 lb ft of tq from a stroked 302 (333) using the bone stock E7's which are crap in everyones eyes. Their is a place that ports the E7's for $650 including new hardware to flow 219 intake and 151 exhaust and if you figure the stock ones flow 160 cfm+/- intake you can tell right off the bat 400hp isn't impossible from $600 investment on ported E7's. I know you could get the gt-40p's for the same money but the ported e7's would still flow better and you would require more money to port the gt-40p to flow better and if you figure $400 for initial gt-40p investment and $400 to port you just entered aftermarket introductory head pricing and if you look those ported E7's also flow better than windsor and windsor jr. heads. I know there are many ways to look at this so I will just throw it out as general information because I don't care one way or the other depends on your future goals etc. on what you decide, Later

Malone Loner 10-29-2003 09:09 AM

GT-40 heads
 
directed to TheWIZ427, can you post a shot of the chamber design on those heads? Nice picture by the way looks great on this end.

Thanks, J.Malone

DanTana 10-29-2003 12:44 PM

Other than the bolt hole sizes, are these a direct replacement? Do these except the roller rockers? Are the rocker arm mounts able to be studded? Do you need notched pistons?


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