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Ganty101 03-11-2019 06:12 PM

Newbie help!
 
Hi everyone, I’m David from the uk and I’m looking into selling my current car (r34 skyline) and using some of the cash from that sale to buy a f-100. I’m looking at spending upto £8000 or so but don’t really know what to look out for with these. I’ve seen one online that looks decent for the money (https://www.allamericanimports.co.uk...ang-v8-coupe-1 odd link I know)
Its a 292 3 speed manual and apparently it only needs a propshaft and the column gear lever. Now this probably isn’t the one as I’m yet to even list my car but it would be nice to know where to start looking! Also I would like to know if it’s possible to get a rhd conversion for these?

SuperSabre 03-12-2019 12:09 AM

Wow, really? Going from an R34 Skyline to a '63 F100? It couldn't be more different. I hope you're not thinking of buying your truck without seeing it in person and driving it. What do you plan to do with it? (What do you want it to be able to do?) RHD versions of some F100s were made in Australia, and maybe in Canada, but probably not in the U S. I would buy the best restored and original truck you can find - which could be a problem being in the UK. "Three on the tree" shift linkage can be a royal pain to repair satisfactorily and many of the parts to do it are seriously scarce. Many guys have given up in disgust and installed a floor mounted shifter, only to be disappointed with that as well. How good are you at fabrication and modification? The 292 Y block did not come with dual exhausts from the factory. Someone has done a Heath Robinson lash up to the one in the picture. 8000 quid is over $10,000. Even though your seller isn't asking quite that much for the truck, it seems too expensive to me for what I see there. Sorry to sound so negative. No doubt others on the forum will have different viewpoints. I just think you could do better for the amount of money you're willing to spend. Good luck!

Christmas 03-12-2019 12:23 AM

And it's a wrong bed. I have a 65 F250 CC CS Ranger that I would like to sell if your looking.

Ganty101 03-12-2019 02:27 AM

Thanks for the reply Sabre, yeah I’ve had the R34 for 6 years and it’s just too high maintenance. I’m wanting to have a simpler time with the ford!
As for mechanical knowhow, I’ve fitted coil overs, intercooler, radiator and timing belt. Even had the head go a couple of years ago and bar skimming it I did it all. Only thing I’m not willing to get involved in is paint work. Really I’d want something solid enough to keep as it is (bar undersealing ofcourse)
I’m wanting something that will basically be good to run as it is and do some quality of life upgrades to it as I go (disc brakes, custom exhaust etc) I’m not looking for a truck that will be factory fresh when I’m done or winning awards. I have a complicated setup right now and for my car to be garaged it has to be moved out of the garage through the day and back in on a night. I want this to be parked until I need it. Just under a cover not in a garage. Main thing is it has to have a V8 and preferably an auto box!
Finally it’s preferable to be able to see it in person before I buy it but that’s tricky as rust free tends to mean state side! Which would be difficult to say the least.

And christmas, got any more info for me? What size engine? Is it an auto? What’s wrong with it? Also where are you? Uk or further a field?

Christmas 03-12-2019 03:01 AM

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Ganty101 03-12-2019 03:59 AM

That’s not quite what I’m looking for. But thanks anyway.

6t6merc 03-12-2019 03:14 PM

What are you looking for exactly? Most of them are pretty much the same as the one shown by Christmas.
Some factory RHD versions were built in Canada and shipped to Commonwealth countries, maybe including the UK. I believe they were all 6 cylinder 4-speed, in part to make the RHD conversion simpler. There are photos of one of them on FTE, in Australia I think.
Eric

TA455HO 03-12-2019 03:20 PM

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...n-64-f100.html

Engine has been swapped and a few things like they set it up for hydraulic clutch most likely. But, pretty cool truck.

Chad

Ganty101 03-12-2019 04:05 PM


Originally Posted by 6t6merc (Post 18536025)
What are you looking for exactly? Most of them are pretty much the same as the one shown by Christmas.
Some factory RHD versions were built in Canada and shipped to Commonwealth countries, maybe including the UK. I believe they were all 6 cylinder 4-speed, in part to make the RHD conversion simpler. There are photos of one of them on FTE, in Australia I think.
Eric

Well I’m sure I want a V8, and an auto. I’m not looking for too much of a project really. The one in the link I posted is along the lines of what I’m looking for condition wise. But it’s manual. I looked into christmas’ thread about the truck and it’s not in a condition I’m willing to take on (unless I missed something?)

I’m really looking for things to look out for (common faults and red flags) and help narrowing down which model I’m actually after, and just general advise on buying/owning one.

Christmas 03-12-2019 05:18 PM


Originally Posted by Ganty101 (Post 18536130)


Well I’m sure I want a V8, and an auto. I’m not looking for too much of a project really. The one in the link I posted is along the lines of what I’m looking for condition wise. But it’s manual. I looked into christmas’ thread about the truck and it’s not in a condition I’m willing to take on (unless I missed something?)

I’m really looking for things to look out for (common faults and red flags) and help narrowing down which model I’m actually after, and just general advise on buying/owning one.

What is it exactly that is not what your looking for. It's a CC CS Ranger V8 (2000mi on rebuild ) Cruise O Matic body is rust free and straight. According to the 65-66 Ranger registry there are only a handfull of 65 F250's

Ganty101 03-12-2019 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Christmas (Post 18536285)
What is it exactly that is not what your looking for. It's a CC CS Ranger V8 (2000mi on rebuild ) Cruise O Matic body is rust free and straight. According to the 65-66 Ranger registry there are only a handfull of 65 F250's

forgive the ignorance here but I have no idea what a CC CS is and isn’t that a camper back on it? I’m just thinking I don’t want that on and if it’s part of the original truck won’t it cost me more for the truck just to rip it off? Also where abouts are you?

Christmas 03-12-2019 05:58 PM

CC-Custom Cab, CS-Camper Special. The camper is a 1958 Alaskan pop up and it sits in the bed-and comes right out. Boulder Creek California

SuperSabre 03-13-2019 12:01 AM

Maybe we should start with what you know about these trucks and what you don't. We don't want to insult your intelligence. Are you primarily interested in 1961 - 1966 F100s or would other years work just as well? F100s are rated as half ton vehicles and have a reasonably comfortable ride (for what it is) whereas the F250 is a three quarter ton truck which is much more heavy duty and the ride is commensurately harsher. Both can be had with 4 wheel drive and/or limited slip differentials but most come 2 wheel drive with an open diff. Wheelbases ('61 - '66) are 115 inch or 129 inch and the bed lengths are 6.5 feet or 8 feet. Bed styling can be Styleside, which has a straight exterior side appearance, with the inside of the bed having the wheel arches, or Flareside in which the bed interior does not have the wheel arches in it and there is no bodywork to impede the load. The wheel arches are outside the bed. I'm sorry that was a pretty poor description, but I hope you get the idea. There are essentially two cab trim levels: Standard and Custom Cab (CC). The CC has slightly nicer stuff in it than the standard cab, but it's still pretty basic. The CC trim was upgraded some for '65 and '66. '61 - '64 models have older Y block V8 engines available in 272 and 292 cubic inch capacities, and I6 engines of 223 and (rare) 262 cubic inches. '65 - '66 trucks had what is called an FE V8 engine of 352 cubic inches (5.8 litre) rated at 208 gross hp/172 net hp. There were also 240 and 300 cubic inch I6 engines. Transmissions included 3 speed manual (all synchromesh from 1963 model year), 3 speed manual plus overdrive (fairly rare), two different 4 speed manuals (both with a "granny" [stump puller] first gear which is rarely used), and an automatic. You could get an option package for hauling a camper on the back, the Camper Special (CS), and in '65 - '66 you could get a plusher interior with Mustang bucket seats, carpet, and other stuff called the Ranger package. Many people would say that the '65 and '66 models are the one to get because it's easier than some of the earlier ones to get parts for and to modify with disc brakes (you'd want to add a dual system brake master cylinder cylinder as only single reservoir m/cs were required before 1967) and other stuff. The petrol consumption for the V8 engines will likely alarm you. The last time I was in the UK your petrol cost the equivalent of $7 per U S gallon (doing the conversion from pence per litre) and you'd be doing well to get 12 - 18 miles per Imperial gallon. I'm afraid this is a bit simplistic and I have left out a lot. You asked what to look out for - rust - especially the radiator core support and cab mount and floor and cowl vent areas. Hopefully you'll get more advice than that. Hope this has been some help. Ask questions - that's what we're here for. Good luck with your search.

Ganty101 03-13-2019 02:48 AM

So I’m now certain from sabres post that the F-100 is good for me. I’m not hauling anything really so having wheel arches in the bed wouldn’t hurt me. I guessing that the Styleside is the less desirable of the 2 for that reason so another bonus for me?! I don’t need 4wd and certainly don’t need mustang seats! Just a standard cab for me (bench seat?). Definitely a V8 though the actual size isn’t too important. It’s nice to know about the synchro, opens up a manual box but I’d still prefer an auto. I’m looking for a very basic truck for simplerer/more enjoyable maintenance. I’m gonna be doing around 3000miles a year so fuel consumption isn’t really an issue for me, though would I need an lead additive or something for the fuel? And just rust? So one from a dry state makes it safer? I read somewhere that a compression test is advisable? That maybe hard with me being across the pond, where as I can ask for pictures etc. I know not great as I’d rather try before I buy but short of going to the states I think I’ll be struggling with that!

So going from all that i do want a 61-66 F-100 SWB Styleside standard cab with a V8 and preferably an auto box and 2wd? Is there anything in that to bump the price up as rather keep the price down where possible as we pay a premium for any old American vehicles here.

doug64f100 03-13-2019 01:52 PM

Well you narrowed it down to the most desirable version of the '61-'66 Ford F100 truck, which equates to, higher demand and prices typically.

Christmas 03-13-2019 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by doug64f100 (Post 18537881)
Well you narrowed it down to the most desirable version of the '61-'66 Ford F100 truck, which equates to, higher demand and prices typically.

Agreed the SWB being the one to have. Problem is there not all that common for sale and when they are won't last long. A good SWB bed is the price of some complete project trucks. I looked at 64 SWB awhile back, older resto but needed more work and they were asking $25K. I know of one that a lady got from her Grandfather. Standard cab, 6cyl, 3 on the tree. She had to put a sign in the window NOT FOR SALE. I would say the best place to find one is an auction.

jpk_ks 03-13-2019 03:48 PM

I think, from your descriptions, you are really looking for a 65 or 66. They came out with a primitive independent front suspension in '65 and used it until '79 so parts for these are easier to find than others.

The V8 became more common in that timeframe as well as the automatic cruise-o-matic transmission. It's a good transmission as well - I'm putting it back in my truck as I rebuild it.

For things to look for (not to plug something too much) I run through common rust areas on these trucks as well as repairs a bit on my YT channel:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCka..._as=subscriber

Feel free to review and reach out to me with any questions about what I've seen and done on my rebuild. I can even tie out with you on instagram if you want to chat about these trucks. From my research, if you're not interested in anything that requires any body work at all, you're probably looking around $15k USD if you're buying over here. I have no idea what it takes to ship something like this, but they can be found almost everywhere. Dry states help find trucks with less rust, but what causes a lot of the rust is dirt packing up into areas and then holding water next to the metal and you would be surprised how little water it takes to cause these panels to rust when the mud holds the water right against the metal.

Ganty101 03-13-2019 05:29 PM

Ok so what would be a less expensive model? The only things I actually need are a V8 and for it to be a ford pickup from the 60’s preferably auto. The rest of it doesn’t matter. The truck in the link I shared is about where I’d want it really condition wise, if I knew it ran ok. I don’t really want much in the way of welding or really oily jobs as I’m wanting to be up and running fairly quickly being without a my own car by that point (partner has a KA lol).

I realize how little I know on these, even more now, and want to thank everyone for putting up with me! I’m gonna check the YouTube channel mentioned in the last post, and appreciate you coming here and pointing it out to me I’m sure it’ll be very useful!

SuperSabre 03-13-2019 06:12 PM

As you said, ideally, before buying, you'd like to have a compression check done on the lump, drive it to check for smoke, misfires, transmission operation and shifter function, brakes, steering, suspension, etc., which is a problem if you're in the UK and the trucks are in the US. Fancy a quick vacation? You'll want to have the heads reworked (valve seats hardened) for unleaded petrol unless the engine has been replaced with one from about 1972 and newer which will already be done. You'll also want to dump the points and condensor ignition for a Pertronix or similar. States where the least amount of rust can be expected (but not guaranteed) are Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, California, and Nevada. No doubt some others will say they're in the mix. Since these trucks are over 50 years old, there's no telling where they've been. For instance, mine was built in Kansas City, sold new in Nebraska, the next owner took it to Washington (state) and then to California from where I bought it in 2010 for $3000. Apparently the prices have gone up since then. Another point, dealers and private sellers both frequently LIE about the condition of the truck. Shocking, isn't it. They'll show you an odometer that reads 85,000 miles and tell you that's the original mileage. They'd better have irrefutable evidence because it's pretty unlikely. Back then odometers only read to 100,000 miles and then returned to zero and started around again. People didn't often keep their cars for more than 60,000 or 70,000 miles. They weren't expected to last many more miles than that. For a truck to have 85,000 original miles in over 50 years means it was driven less than 2000 miles a year. More likely, the mileage is 185,000 or 285,000 miles, or the speedometer/odometer crumped and was replaced. I had a quick look online on Autotrader for '66 F100s and found three trucks that were kind of, but not perfectly, in your ballpark, all at dealers. You'd get a better deal from an individual seller. One was a SWB with 352 V8, but 3 speed manual for $9500 (7132 quid) in North Carolina; One was a LWB with 352 V8 and 4 speed for $9295 (@ 7000 quid) in Michigan; and the third one was a LWB Ranger with 390 V8 and C-6 auto trans that had power steering, power disc brakes and the dual master cylinder already done to it for $12,495 (9380 quid). By the time you're ready to pull the trigger these will no doubt be gone, but there will be others. Good luck!

instig8r63 03-13-2019 06:29 PM

You want a west coast truck. Nothing really east of Arizona or you’re probably going to get a rust bucket. Rust never sleeps.

Ganty101 03-14-2019 03:22 AM

Sorry bad post.

Ganty101 03-14-2019 03:34 AM

Wow thanks Sabre. A lotta good info there. I guess it depends how much I get for my car as to whether or not a trip to the states is do able, I’d just have to figure a way to make it interesting for my partner haha. Getting the heads done wouldn’t be a problem for me, I know a guy who does head refurbishment etc nearby and taking heads off isn’t the end of the world. Gonna get my car listed this weekend and go from there! I’ll update as things progress. Thanks again to everyone and wish me luck!

jpk_ks 03-14-2019 10:24 AM

Here's a search on Ebay that is centered on my location (Wichita, KS) with a 1,000 mile radius:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/Cars-Trucks...cat=6001&rt=nc

Lots of options there, and a bunch that are probably overpriced.

Couple thoughts on what you're looking for as well. I know you said Short bed, but I can tell you from experience that the long bed is very useful and rides a bit nicer than the short bed. Having that solid live axle further behind you just seems to help even out bumps.

The 352 engine was the V8 of choice for these two years and is a very good engine. If the rear end isn't geared too low it is fully capable of 80 on the highway without screaming itself to death. Parts for these trucks are still fairly available with some exceptions.

The radiator support frame (just behind the grill) for a '66 is absolute unobtanium. They make a '65 and a '67 but the '66 was just different enough that you have to modify the '65 to make it fit so make sure yours is sound or can at least be repaired if you get a '66. To go with the heads, exhaust manifolds can be expensive to replace. Most guys with issues in that area opt to move to headers, which are readily available.

Per my transmission guy, the parts for the automatics are available but they are getting harder to find. He would only rebuild my transmission if I agreed to replace the torque converter (which I agreed to). He wasn't able to FIND a new torque converter so he had to cut mine open, replace the thrust bushings, and weld it back together (a fairly standard set of steps so nothing major there).

The bed floors on these as well - nobody stamps a full length and width ribbed panel for the middle section of floor. They sell smaller panels that you would have to weld together to make a full floor, but if you want pristine ribbed metal floor like what came from the factory you better buy a truck that has it already - you will not be able to manufacture it. You may end up where I am, which is working to cobble together a hybrid bed of wood and metal. Again, I have a lot of what I've learned over the past 18 months of working mine on my channel and I'd take any questions/suggestions (from anyone in this community).

Ganty101 03-14-2019 04:23 PM

Jpk, wow thanks! I had a quick view of your channel and will use it in the future when working on mine (when I get one). Looks a good setup you have though must make the work easier! I appreciate the help and you’ve given me a lot more knowledge for when I go to look at them.

Ganty101 03-29-2019 03:47 PM

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ford-f100...QAAOSw7aNccZT8

going to look at this tomorrow. It’s abit more than it’s worth but hope to get some room to move. Just looks too clean...


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