Originally Posted by RaymondIV
(Post 18467665)
The theory from the big boys (factory engine reps) has always been that a turboed engine consumes 1/3 more air than non turboed. ATS with their turbo kits included a complete 3" exhaust versus 2 1/2". They stated in their info with all their R&D that an exhaust bigger than 3" showed no power gain at all.
All that said, the fuel specs that ATS and Banks recommended were hardly anything above NA, in that context, the larger exhaust probably wasnt necessary, but 10psi vs 20psi is a substantial difference in air flow, potential fuel burnt, and thus creating exponentially more exhaust. |
Originally Posted by parkland
(Post 18465473)
I've definitely noticed how linear the rpm is to throttle position. I was very surprised to learn that the pedal is simply controlling the rack. It feels like an rpm governor.
If the pedal controlled the rack, you wouldn't have a governed speed really - it would go much higher until it physically couldn't push enough fuel to maintain that speed. As it is now, unloaded peak RPM isn't much higher than loaded peak RPM, because governor. |
Originally Posted by hairyboxnoogle
(Post 18468265)
Its more than a 1/3, at 14.7 psi (at sea level, less as you go higher) youre using DOUBLE the air. Banks had a similar claim, stating that going from the supplied 3" to the "monster" 3.5" exhaust netted about 5hp at 3300 rpm. When i was running my 088, it had 3" with a glasspack (crush formed), when i replaced it with 4" mandrel from the down pipe back, i gained like 4-5 pounds of boost at WOT (could hit 18), egts were cooler at WOT as well. This was an 088, with a massive leak in the drive side, and a maxed out 275k pump.
All that said, the fuel specs that ATS and Banks recommended were hardly anything above NA, in that context, the larger exhaust probably wasnt necessary, but 10psi vs 20psi is a substantial difference in air flow, potential fuel burnt, and thus creating exponentially more exhaust. |
Back in the day, about 1990-91, there was nothing Banks DIDN'T make a claim about. They had a high dollar non-turbo air cleaner element that we just had to have according to their adds. I phoned their sales pitch line one day and asked how their A/C element breathed better if my Filter Minder wouldn't move when towing a max loaded gooseneck up a steep grade with my stock air cleaner? The sales pimp's answer was downright hilarious. They also claimed their turbo system put out WAY more power than ATS. They failed to mention Banks used a sea level 180 HP 7.3 engine whereas ATS in Murray, Utah used the high altitude 7.3 IDI version that was 160 HP for test results. And when I was researching to death which turbo system to buy, Banks people had nothing positive to say about their own, they just badmouthed ATS up one side and down the other. That's always told me a lot about which product to buy. Especially after Ford chose ATS in '93.
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Originally Posted by RaymondIV
(Post 18471904)
They also claimed their turbo system put out WAY more power than ATS. They failed to mention Banks used a sea level 180 HP 7.3 engine whereas ATS in Murray, Utah used the high altitude 7.3 IDI version that was 160 HP for test results.
Originally Posted by RaymondIV
(Post 18471904)
And when I was researching to death which turbo system to buy, Banks people had nothing positive to say about their own, they just badmouthed ATS up one side and down the other.
That's always told me a lot about which product to buy. Also, the turbo placement is way better than the ATS - Getting to the #5 and #7 glow plugs with a ATS 093/Factory turbo kit is a real pain.
Originally Posted by RaymondIV
(Post 18471904)
Especially after Ford chose ATS in '93.
As a disclaimer, I currently have: 2 Banks Sidewinders(my dad has a 3rd), a Ford Factory kit/093(second kit waiting for a rig), and an ATS 088 kit. (also my friend has a Hypermax kit on a non-running truck; no clue yet how that performs). |
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