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FL SuperDuty 07-17-2018 07:14 PM

oil in coolant - AGAIN
 
So, this past December I noticed oil in my coolant so I went ahead and flushed the system, replaced the oil cooler, and all was good. Didn't see any oil in the coolant for a long time. In the past month or so, I started to see a little of black specks in my coolant bottle. Note at the same time I also noticed the dried white coolant particles around the cap, looking like it had been puking a little. Kept checking it, didn't see any more puking, and the oil didn't seem to get any worse, so chalked it up as small particles gathering over time from the last time oil had infiltrated the system. As far as the puking, chalked it up to a faulty cap or freak one-off thing.
Replaced coolant bottle and cap last week, since the last one developed a small crack. Just checked my coolant bottle today, and there is a GOOD amount of oil in the bottle... Way more oil in the bottle than what I had described seeing around a month ago.

What in the world am I doing wrong?? From what I've gathered, oil in the coolant is basically 100% a failed oil cooler. Which means the oil cooler i put in this past winter has only lasted about 7 months. That just doesn't seem right. I bought the cooler from autonation ford white bear lake, factory ford motorcraft OEM part.

Is there any troubleshooting I can do? I have to make a 16 hour drive in about two weeks, so I need to start ordering parts if I am going to go through this again.

For reference, the truck has 365k miles, EGR delete (welded shut), and studs.
Oh, and my A/C stopped working the other day. Compressor isn't kicking on. Tried jumping the low pressure switch on the A/C with no luck.

FL SuperDuty 07-17-2018 07:34 PM

couple more questions while I'm at it...

I've heard buying the oil cooler through Navistar directly is a lot cheaper - but can't find a place to buy it..

Any chance that me installing a Dorman coolant bottle had anything to do with this? .. literally happened right after I installed it.

npccpartsman 07-17-2018 07:55 PM

The degas bottle didn't cause it, and the cooler should have a 2 year guarantee on it. I haven't heard of a cooler failure that quick, but things happen and even new parts do go bad.

FL SuperDuty 07-17-2018 08:07 PM

I'll look into the 2 year guarantee.. thanks.
My oil/coolant deltas are only 8-10 degrees. The cooler isn't clogged.. but just one ruptured passage could cause the oil in the coolant, which is what I'm guessing happened.

TooManyToys. 07-17-2018 08:09 PM

The previous cooler that ruptured, was that checked to see if it had in fact ruptured internally?

JaySVX 07-17-2018 08:41 PM

It might be possible that it isn't the cooler, but rather the o-rings. If they were bad, cut, not lubed, etc. then it could be failed o-ring.

FL SuperDuty 07-17-2018 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by TooManyToys. (Post 18092506)
The previous cooler that ruptured, was that checked to see if it had in fact ruptured internally?

it wasn't. I toyed with the idea, but didn't have the resources or the time to go about it... But, I'm certain it fixed the problem, since I drove plenty of miles (although not nearly as much as I'd have liked) without ever seeing oil in the coolant again.

TooManyToys. 07-17-2018 10:05 PM

There are multiple things altered with a cooler installed. In my past work I had to hunt for the cause.

The easy way to check for an internal failure on something like this ..... since it's oil moving to coolant, use a hose to fit over one port from the oil side (high pressure). The other port can have an expandable plug, threaded internally for a NPT plug, or another hose that can be plugged. Hoses should be secured with worm clamps. You then can use a garden hose to supply pressure and flow, or an air line. The oil side can get to 75psi so you can moderate below that to that pressure level. Anything pressured should be contained with the possibility of explosive failure. The other side (coolant) should see water or air flow if the cooler is indeed ruptured.

FL SuperDuty 07-18-2018 01:23 PM


Originally Posted by TooManyToys. (Post 18092748)
There are multiple things altered with a cooler installed. In my past work I had to hunt for the cause.

The easy way to check for an internal failure on something like this ..... since it's oil moving to coolant, use a hose to fit over one port from the oil side (high pressure). The other port can have an expandable plug, threaded internally for a NPT plug, or another hose that can be plugged. Hoses should be secured with worm clamps. You then can use a garden hose to supply pressure and flow, or an air line. The oil side can get to 75psi so you can moderate below that to that pressure level. Anything pressured should be contained with the possibility of explosive failure. The other side (coolant) should see water or air flow if the cooler is indeed ruptured.

Would it be easier to just plug one side (either oil or coolant), supply air pressure, and see if it holds?
From my understanding, the oil infiltrates the coolant only because the oil is at a higher pressure than the coolant. So if you pressurized the coolant side with air, it still wouldn't hold pressure.

FL SuperDuty 07-18-2018 01:27 PM


FL SuperDuty 07-18-2018 01:28 PM


FL SuperDuty 07-18-2018 01:40 PM

Also.. the coolant system is still holding pressure. Even after truck sits for a long time, when I pull the degas bottle cap, a good amount of pressure is released. So, the oil cooler must only be leaking at pressures > 15 psi, or else the coolant would be leaking into the oil when the truck is turned off. Unless the oil side of the oil cooler stays pressurized with the truck turned off.

TooManyToys. 07-18-2018 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by FL SuperDuty (Post 18093577)
Would it be easier to just plug one side (either oil or coolant), supply air pressure, and see if it holds?
From my understanding, the oil infiltrates the coolant only because the oil is at a higher pressure than the coolant. So if you pressurized the coolant side with air, it still wouldn't hold pressure.

Air was an option.

In my old test world you would want the flow to go in the same direction as the flow failure. If you go in the opposite direction and it doesn’t show failure the question would be did it somehow seal, so howdo you answer that concern. It’s the problem we would see with brake hoses, a torn inner layer that sealsin one direction only. It’s a procedural thing, remove possibilities no matter how remote.

npccpartsman 07-18-2018 06:22 PM

I would have expected it to be a bit more "clabbered", so to speak. Are you sure it's not carbon, as in exhaust? Just being the devil's advocate.........

TooManyToys. 07-18-2018 06:37 PM

That’s a good point after looking at the degas, Tim. It’d be worth pulling some out and pouring onto a white towel.


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