Help !!
Just come back from road testing my F1, as I pulled in to my drive noticed steam coming from the bonnet. Switched off immediately and opened the bonnet (hood). The attached pic is what has happened. I have not had time to investigate at the moment...BUT essentially the generator and mounting has come loose and gone forward. The propeller fan has gone through the radiator fins. As yet I do not know if the bolts have sheared or what. Has anybody experienced anything like this. Advice needed please.https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...332862cb1a.jpg
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WOW!
Appears to me that bolts are missing. Sheared maybe?
On second thought it looks like the generator bracket is broken. |
I'd guess the stud for the bracket pulled out of the manifold. It appears to be an aluminum manifold?
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It appears to be a around a $400.00 bill .
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Originally Posted by Mixer man
(Post 17967915)
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Originally Posted by firstrider
(Post 17967901)
It appears to be a around a $400.00 bill .
It might be a few Quid more for a radiator in England. |
I agree with Ross. I can clearly see the cast boss that the generator stud would thread into, but there is no stud showing in the gap between the manifold and generator bracket. Either your stud came loose and backed completely out or it tore the threads out of the aluminum manifold. Looks like you’ll need to repair (heli-coil) the threads in the manifold and replace the stud and radiator. Rough day, brother! |
Hello again, going to strip it out after breakfast this morning and take a look. So it looks to be an aluminium casting, and it should have steel studs threaded in to it ?.
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On some aftermarket aluminum castings, the manufacturer will install a stainless steel threaded insert in all the threaded holes as the part is manufactured to increase the strength and longevity of the threads. I would suspect that they did not in this case because of the size of the threaded hole. That doesn't mean that you can’t do it yourself, though. And given the amount of wreckage you're looking to have to replace, a Helicoil kit to help prevent a recurrence would be a wise investment. |
Originally Posted by BlueOvalRage
(Post 17968962)
On some aftermarket aluminum castings, the manufacturer will install a stainless steel threaded insert in all the threaded holes as the part is manufactured to increase the strength and longevity of the threads. I would suspect that they did not in this case because of the size of the threaded hole. That doesn't mean that you can do it yourself, though. And given the amount of wreckage you're looking to have to replace, a Helicoil kit to help prevent a recurrence would be a wise investment.
know the length of the stud, and the diameter and threads etc please.It does seem incredible that the generator and the fan are both held by just one bolt. Is there a modification available to strengthen up this ?. Or perhaps I have been just unlucky. Tomorrow I will hunt around for a radiator shop and see if the rad is salvageable.https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...0b2db51748.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...b9cdf7dac2.jpg Broken end of stud ? https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...c1cddcaea0.jpg Also note the nut on the generator bracket will not pull up because it fouls the rear of the casing. It will not turn the other way because the bolt is to long to get in. A shorter bolt may work (if it is long enough). https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...345f96018f.jpg |
I now see that I misread your question - the stud itself should be steel and you did in fact find the remains of it. The nut and square washer are distinctive. I was referring to the threads themselves in the intake manifold being a stainless steel insert. I don’t believe that I would use a stainless stud in that application. Stainless bolts and studs can tend to gall and smear their threads. I’d replace it with a new high quality grade 5 or grade 8 plain steel stud. Unfortunately, the condition of that hole and it’s location may force you to take the intake manifold off of the engine to get the rest of the broken stud out. I have a bad feeling that the first couple threads are deformed enough that it will put up quite a fight. It may need to be drilled out. That poor radiator is going to have to be recored. I’m not sure what you have available as far as radiator shops go over there, but in the US, a recore job costs about as much as a brand new radiator. The all aluminum units are quite a bit less expensive, but they kinda look funny attached to a traditional flatty in my opinion. |
I had that exact thing happen 20 some years ago on my first F-1. The intakes generator mounting surface was cracked and finally broke away causing the bolt to snap and result in the same damage you have,
If you re-use that manifold, be very sure the bolt and threads are sound and the mounting surface is good. A fan out of balance can also fatigue the bolt with the same result. |
Sorry to see this happened to you...but look on the bright side.....it could have happened 50 miles from your house instead of in your driveway. Could have happened in a much worse place.
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Originally Posted by tinman52
(Post 17969319)
I had that exact thing happen 20 some years ago on my first F-1. The intakes generator mounting surface was cracked and finally broke away causing the bolt to snap and result in the same damage you have,
If you re-use that manifold, be very sure the bolt and threads are sound and the mounting surface is good. A fan out of balance can also fatigue the bolt with the same result. |
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