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CottonTexas 11-10-2017 04:59 PM

Pic request for jack & tire tools for 3rd gen Econoline
 
I found this diagram which helps, but I'm hoping to see how it all actually fits together in place.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...ee8fec7141.png


The only bits that I got with the van is a single hold down clamp, wing-nut, & bolt (17A038, 33896-S, & 382919-S) along with what's actually afixed to the van (★17A056 & 33922-S), so I'm trying to piece together everything to get the jack & tire tools all back together and in their proper place. Anyone that has one of these vans that could post a pic of the jack & tire tools would be much appreciated. Thank you! :-drink Cotton

CottonTexas 11-14-2017 05:37 PM

Yeah, I've telepathetically heard the crowd thinking here:

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What? Does this dude need someone to draw him a better picture?
:-X15

So I figured I'd go directly for the questions I'm hoping a pic might answer before I start buying parts, because unfortunately all the vans I've come across at the yards are missing the jack & tools completely.

What is #17035?

Is #17A038 used to secure the jack to the floor?

Does another #17A038 hold both the tire-iron and jack turn-handle against the rear bulkhead, and is it facing the correct direction to do this in the illustration?

I've got a while, but before I ever hit the road, I'm going to need these tools, and how to have them stowed properly out of the way and securely is what I'd like to know for certain before I start spending money buying this stuff. TIA :-drink Cotton

maples01 11-14-2017 08:15 PM

You know I can't figure out #17035, it looks like an extension, something you use with a ratchet, but it'd not work with the tire iron, but then again, the drawing almost looks like one end is shaped like a bolt, perhaps fitting in the tire iron like the lug nut, extending it, I would never do that tho, leverage would have it coming off and hitting you. Get a 4 way lug wrench, but make certain it fits, I bought one, but the E350 studs are so long, it won't go down far enough to make contact with the lugs.

CottonTexas 11-14-2017 09:56 PM

Thanks for the reply. I was thinking it may have something to do with spare tire retrieval from underneath, but I don't know that they did that on the 3rd gen E150's. I'm probably going to have to go with a rear door tire-hanger for more interior space, though I'm a little slow to commit since these no-winder doors are pretty decent. I have a collapsible 4-way in my toolbox that goes just about everywhere with me, but I'd like to get the specific tool and have it affixed to the van, just in case I need to run off without my toolbox. Thanks for chiming in, Cotton

Spaznaut 11-14-2017 10:31 PM

My '88 mounted the tire right in that corner with the tools. It had the side and rear gas tank. I think a door mounted would be best if you want the extra room. All mine had was the jack, tire tool, and jack handle. Don't know what that extension is. Mine was an E-250.

YoGeorge 11-15-2017 01:48 PM

Wouldn't the owner's manual show the layout of where the stuff is fastened down and describe the pieces? I looked on fleet.ford.com and the earliest manual they have is 1996, and it does not show the extension. Looks like the 2 clamps are for the lug nut wrench (vertical) and the extension (laying on the floor), and the floor clamp may also hold down the edge of the jack. The vertical clamp may hold down the jack handle along with the lug wrench.

Again, see if you can find an owner's manual and look in the "emergency road service" section which should be more descriptive than the parts number layout.

CottonTexas 11-16-2017 02:49 AM

I'll have to get my hands on an owners manual for sure since mine came without one, and while I was going to put it off, I think it maybe a wise investment sooner rather than later - it may very well hold the answers I've been looking for. Thanks for the replies! Cotton

YoGeorge 11-16-2017 10:48 AM

I'm guessing you would be able to find one online for free if you search for a while...good luck figuring it out. Or maybe even a van owner on this forum would be able to send you a pdf of the tire change/jack instruction pages. I understand how "clever" some spare tire tool placements can be...and hard to figure out.

annaleigh 11-16-2017 09:46 PM

part 17035 should be a lug nut wrench. Perhaps you use the tire iron through a hole in the lug nut wrench for better leverage?
NOS 1973 Ford Wheel Nut / Lug Wrench D3TZ-17035-A Type 3 OEM

http://www.ebay.ca/itm/New-Old-Stock....c100005.m2219

Now the year this part was first designed was in 1973, there may be a newer design. Maybe NumberDummy will chime in...
D3TZ indicated D=1970's the 3=is the year.. 1973
Perhaps yours will start with a E for 80's unless it is the same part...
D3=1973,,, T is usually for lt truck/bronco ,,, D3T. For a van it is normally a U, instead of a T, but it has been my experience that sometime the T parts interchange.. If the lug nut size is the same as the van and truck, then it probably will..

Here are some other ways Ford mounted the spares on trucks and vans. Start looking on page 209. It should specify is it is a truck or van at the bottom of the pics.
http://www.forelpublishing.com/demo/Demo20083.pdf

CottonTexas 11-17-2017 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by annaleigh (Post 17597104)
part 17035 should be a lug nut wrench. Perhaps you use the tire iron through a hole in the lug nut wrench for better leverage?
NOS 1973 Ford Wheel Nut / Lug Wrench D3TZ-17035-A Type 3 OEM

New Old Stock OEM 1973 Ford Truck Lug Nut Wrench D3TZ-17035-A | eBay
...

Very good info there - thank you for the link! It lead me to another link with a few more pics, and with a little more digging I found that Ken-Tool also makes a very similar product that is used for heavy-duty stuff that appears to require a lot more elbow grease than I would expect for a 1/2-ton.

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Originally Posted by annaleigh (Post 17597104)
...
Now the year this part was first designed was in 1973, there may be a newer design. Maybe NumberDummy will chime in...
D3TZ indicated D=1970's the 3=is the year.. 1973
Perhaps yours will start with a E for 80's unless it is the same part...
D3=1973,,, T is usually for lt truck/bronco ,,, D3T. For a van it is normally a U, instead of a T, but it has been my experience that sometime the T parts interchange.. If the lug nut size is the same as the van and truck, then it probably will..
...

I've read about decoding PN's before, but it's always a mystery as to how I would know when the part was originated, and what version it might be on in order to piece together an accurate part number. I know Numbers is fluent in this speak, and his name has come up recently in my build thread where I'm hoping he'll read my latest post, and know that I wasn't trying to be anal-uni-con-cranial ...though admittedly, sometimes I don't even have to try. }>

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Originally Posted by annaleigh (Post 17597104)
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Here are some other ways Ford mounted the spares on trucks and vans. Start looking on page 209. It should specify is it is a truck or van at the bottom of the pics.
http://www.forelpublishing.com/demo/Demo20083.pdf

I was thinking about an undercarriage tire mount, but I'm unsure if it will interfere with a trailer hitch. It looks like it could be simple enough, but I'll need to hang a new rear bumper and pick out a hitch before I know for sure.

Thanks to YoGeorge I found a page from a 1980 owner's manual from where Lloyd's offers them for sale, and I confirmed that we're on the right track when I found this little nugget:

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...398007057d.png

It seems there's just enough detail there that I'm thinking I've found a good place to start. Thank you all for the helpful input; y'all are all very-much appreciated! :-drink Cotton

NumberDummy 11-20-2017 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by CottonTexas (Post 17591656)
What is #17035? Lug wrench, but you do not want it!

Is #17A038 used to secure the jack to the floor?

D5UZ-17A038-A .. Jack Handle Retainer: 1975/91 E100/350.

C2SZ-17032-C (replaced B6S-17032-A) .. Lug Wrench: 1949/91 myriad Passenger Cars; 1953/96 F100/250; 1965/67 E100 Super Van; 1966/96 Bronco; 1967/97 F350; 1969/74 E200/300; 1975/2014 E100/350.
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Originally Posted by annaleigh
NOS 1973 Ford Wheel Nut / Lug Wrench D3TZ-17035-A :-huh

:-arrgh D3TZ-17035-A .. Lug Wrench- Use with disc wheels & 1 1/2" hex nuts & 13/16" square nuts = 1973 and later: F500/750; C/CT600/900; L/LN/LNT/LT600/900.

I realize that you were not aware of this, but just because the part number prefix has a T in it, does not mean that the part will fit an F100/350, Bronco or Econoline!

:-X15 (sigh) Most ebay sellers haven't a single clue what parts fit, even if they are NOS with part numbers marked on them.

jayro88 11-24-2017 09:24 AM

I guess you could go this rout.....

The first thing I did when getting my van was to buy a hydrolic bottle jack since the OEM stuff is a pain to use. I also keep my battery powered impact in the van to deal with the lug nuts.

This makes any tire changed 100x easier.

annaleigh 11-24-2017 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NumberDummy (Post 17604396)
D5UZ-17A038-A .. Jack Handle Retainer: 1975/91 E100/350.

C2SZ-17032-C (replaced B6S-17032-A) .. Lug Wrench: 1949/91 myriad Passenger Cars; 1953/96 F100/250; 1965/67 E100 Super Van; 1966/96 Bronco; 1967/97 F350; 1969/74 E200/300; 1975/2014 E100/350.


:-arrgh D3TZ-17035-A .. Lug Wrench- Use with disc wheels & 1 1/2" hex nuts & 13/16" square nuts = 1973 and later: F500/750; C/CT600/900; L/LN/LNT/LT600/900.

I realize that you were not aware of this, but just because the part number prefix has a T in it, does not mean that the part will fit an F100/350, Bronco or Econoline!

:-X15 (sigh) Most ebay sellers haven't a single clue what parts fit, even if they are NOS with part numbers marked on them.

Thanks for the free education NumberDummy. So in his diagram that shows the other lug wrench, did they make a different size for the smaller cargo vans? I have never seen one. Maybe if it was a duel wheel cargo van it had a smaller one?

maples01 11-24-2017 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jayro88 (Post 17612121)
I guess you could go this rout.....

The first thing I did when getting my van was to buy a hydrolic bottle jack since the OEM stuff is a pain to use. I also keep my battery powered impact in the van to deal with the lug nuts.

This makes any tire changed 100x easier.

I have had serious issues with battery operated junk, always dead when I need it, but been wanting a Ryobi impact to go with my other stuff they make, what kind do you have and any issues?

jayro88 11-25-2017 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by maples01 (Post 17612952)
I have had serious issues with battery operated junk, always dead when I need it, but been wanting a Ryobi impact to go with my other stuff they make, what kind do you have and any issues?

Ryobi makes pretty good stuff. This is the one I purchased. It is the Menards contractor grade house brand. It is basically made with all the parts that brands like DeWalt, Makita, etc etc use, but sold at a better price. I chose it because I have other tools of this brand.
I also used to work for Menards selling the product, so I knew the quality of it etc. It uses a Lithium Ion battery (20volt I think). If I remember correctly it produces somewhere in the 300-400ft/lbs of torque range. I have never had an issue with the battery being dead after sitting or not having enough torque, but I do use it from time to time instead of getting out the air compressor etc.
https://www.menards.com/main/tools-h...4519093&ipos=6

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...b08c476f46.png


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