Vacuum lines and leaks
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I have a '78 300 which almost runs great. A while back I replaced all the vacuum lines, replacing them one at a a time to be sure they did not get mixed up, but over time it has become apparent that the emissions controls are just not right. The smog pump fell off years ago, and the bottom pipe off the front of the EGR is been cut and folded over so I question if the EGR is even a factor other than having a vacuum port. So:
And in a minor note, the carb number is hard to read - 7350S, possibly 7650S or 7550S. Any hints to make that number easier to read? It's already clean. |
On a 1984 and 1986 F150 with 4.9L engines, a vacuum leak was found to be an unused port on the vacuum tree which screws into the intake manifold under the carburetor. This "tree" has 5 or six ports and some were unused "from the factory" depending on options, etc. There is one port nearest the engine block and pointing towards the cab. On one of these trucks, this port pointed slightly downward placing it nearest the exhaust manifold [heat] and away from sight as it was hidden by all the vacuum lines, wiring harness, etc. On both of these trucks, there was a hole in the center of the rubber cap, which may have been the original [31-33 years old!]. It was amazing the difference in state of tune when this issue was discovered. I will attach a link to the thread where this was discovered and I hope it will help.
https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/1...expensive.html |
Think mine has five manifold vacuum ports on that tree, all of which are gainfully employed at present - BUT I'll get in there with a mirror as soon as I get home today and check! My previous "find" was the S port on the carb which is pretty much hidden from any reasonable sight.
I am however getting a strong stumble when I spray carb cleaner at the EGR top surface. Not when I spray at the base of the carb, above it, though. |
Originally Posted by HoustonDave
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Think mine has five manifold vacuum ports on that tree, all of which are gainfully employed at present - BUT I'll get in there with a mirror as soon as I get home today and check! My previous "find" was the S port on the carb which is pretty much hidden from any reasonable sight.
I am however getting a strong stumble when I spray carb cleaner at the EGR top surface. Not when I spray at the base of the carb, above it, though. Time to light up a cigar! :) |
well, checked that vacuum tree - indeed the 5 ports I remembered are the only ones. I am tempted to try and finish setting the vacuum lines exactly as shown in the drawing above, which would require buying a PCV made for a single vacuum line - but every pic I can find of any PCV of my pruck shows that same 2-vacuum line PCV. I feel like I am missing something basic somehow!
Side note - found a listing of '77 Ford emissions items which appeared identical to the '78s - and the initial idle setting was 6 degrees, not 10. On mine the idle really starts to climb when I go past 6 toward 10, which is what all the specs for 78 say. What started this was a high-idle and dieseling confdition which forced me to back off the 10 degree setting. Keep coming back to thinking maybe I gotta break down and rebuild the carb... |
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In the hope of making someone else's life easier - I finally found what I think is the right diagram (at least it ends in the right 5 numbers/letters). (Looks the same to me!)
An ancient on-line Chilton's in the Houston library gets credit for having it. I still have one major problem - all '78 Ford PCVs including what is in the truck have TWO lines connecting to them and this diagram also shows only one. CAN SOMEONE WITH A '78 PLEASE TELL ME WHERE THE TWO LINES FROM THEIR PCV GO??? |
Update - google-fu said the PCV second line should go to manifold vacuum. So that is where I did it. Also replaced the gasket under the EGR and the carb flange gasket yesterday. My vacuum hoses EXACTLY match the vacuum diagram now - a bit messy but at least they are hooked to the right places, I think. Truck was idling about 500 rpm yesterday and pulling 18" on the vacuum gauge. Timing got to 10 degrees at idle, too (before as soon as I hit 6 degrees the idle started skyrocketing.) Then today when I drove to work it was idling at 15" and running poorly; back under the hood tonight! Think if it refuses to tune in I will just start capping off ports - I figure I need vacuum to the transmission, distributor, carbon canister (for fuel fumes), vacuum reservoir (for AC) brakes, PCV and EGR for crankcase venting... hell, there is almost nothing left after that but the air cleaner stuff!
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Don't rule out an intake manifold leak. Re-tighten everything.
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agree, have a fresh can of carb cleaner on hand. Have not had isues there in the past yet, it has all been vacuum lines and the bad flange gasket.
Just as verification - there are 4 ports on a YFA, right? S - Spark - to distributor advance. On the base to the rear of the idle mixture screw E- EGR - on the base in front of the idle mixture screw BV - bowl vent - on the front side of the carb even with the fuel line WOT - passenger side of the carb above and somewhat to the rear of the S vent. And there is one high on the passenger side of the carb at the extreme top - think that connects to an EGR port? One thing I do notice - just forward of the standard throttle linkage on the carb is an electrically connected throttle adjust which keeps the idle high unless I push the plunger - then it clicks into a close position and my idle drops significantly. I am guessing this is an emissions related throttle positioner...which could fall off with no ill effects? |
Friday update
well, it ran even worse on the way home...to the point where I popped the hood in the bank parking lot and, lo and behold, the #2 plug wire was dangling! Makes a WHOLE lotta difference... when it ran poor on the way to work the wire must have been making intermittent contact.
Did notice that the vacuum operated stuff on the air filter is not functioning, will check it for leaks this weekend. Fallback plan: Manifold vac: 1) to the PCV and thence to the vacuum reservoir. 2) to the carbon cannister, thence to carb bowl and gas tank port only. 3) to the EGR port. 4) to the AT and brakes Ported vac: 1) Distributor advance Cap everything else and I should still run mostly clean with a very simple system. (Also castrate that electric throttle positioner, whatever it is.) |
YFA vacuum ports
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Well, after bugging folks at Mike's, Carbs Unlimited, and finally Daytona Parts, I am told the following applies: The vacuum advance is by the idle adjustment screw in the base. The EGR is the single port in the middle section of the carb. The 3/8" bowl vent (BV) port on the carb top goes to the charcoal canister, and the 1/4" port is the clean air port for the choke. I think the attached is correct in that case. (note that this makes my post above WRONG for the location of WOT and E (EGR) ports!) The label locations kinda ran onto each other; the vacuum port in the EGR spacer I have running to the PCV.
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If you don't have the metal line going to the EGR, cut and folded over if I remember right and don't need a vacuum line to it.
Either way I would remove the line and cap it. Have you replaced the gaskets between intake & EGR plate and the EGR plate & carb? Could be leaking there. Also if the EGR valve is stuck open a little it will cause a vacuum leak. Also if the EGR valve diaphragm is cracked it can cause a vacuum leak. I only see a need for vacuum to dist advance, Brake boost if you have it, PCV system, Trany vacuum, and AC/Heat system. Dave ---- |
Dave- yes, the metal pipe from the PCV is cut and folded. Should it be sealed? And yes, I replaced the carb flange gasket and EGR to manifold gasket. Have not replaced the little gasket under the EGR itself. I used a good chunk of a can of carb cleaner and found some minor leakage but nothing extreme; was able to pull 18" on the vacuum gauge at a very low (ca 450 rpm) idle. My hoses are all hooked to the right ports with the exception of the air cleaner's; since it is not functioning I am leaving it disconnected. We'll see when I top off the tank next month if this has any effect...last tank I got less than 8mpg in town, and I expect with the 300 in good tune I should getting half again that. I'm not asking for Kia mileage, just healthy mileage.
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Thanks for your help.i had removed the actuator from the blend door and seems to be working when i hit the control button the motor guide rotates as which it's supposed to move. So i manually moved the blend door and it plays around so I believe blend door and actuator are working. when i hit the control button on the heater and move the blend door you can feel blend door gets suck in but no heat is coming out with or without the actuator
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