Rob's Dyno Day - 248 HP IDI! (Hunting 4 Horsepower)
Today was a good day!
I showed up for Hunting 4 Horsepower, in Coeur D'Alene Idaho at 8:10AM, after having driven from my home in Sandpoint. After getting settled, I ended up being approximately 4th in line for the "modified"/higher-end dyno. After watching a couple people go at it, I finally got on the dyno myself. The crew backed my truck onto it, up a steep ramp. The guy doing this kept asking questions like "Do your windows work?" and "Does your 4x4 work", obviously worried about my rattletrap of a truck. :P He managed to back it up onto the dyno at idle with no issues whatsoever, and I got to take the wheel. I was told to get it up to 2K RPM in overdrive; I figured that in my case that meant double-overdrive(I have a GVOD). My first pass was in double-overdrive, and I hit 231HP. For my next pass, I decided to try 5th. I hit 246.5HP! Third pass(in 5th) was 243HP. I guess the extra speed of all the rotating components and gear loss is worth 16 HP. Here are my sheets: Run 1: (Forgot to take a picture, I'll upload it later) Run 2: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...905/run1_2.jpg Run 3: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...905/run1_3.jpg NOTE: RPM to speed calculation: speed * 34.35 = RPM in 5th 65 = 2235 80 = 2748 After this, I went to get some lunch, and decided to try again; change the timing, see what affects my numbers. I added a bit of advance to the timing -- a couple of degrees, to see what would happen. I also hooked the cold idle advance to a dashboard switch, so I could switch it on on the fly. I also disconnected my muffler and tied it in place. In retrospect, I shouldn't have advanced it; I should have retarded it slightly for a better comparison. Anyway, the line was much longer at this point: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...150905_005.jpg http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...150905_006.jpg http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...150905_007.jpg http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...150905_008.jpg Once I finally got to the dyno, my dad and brother had shown up, and my brother took video of the event: While waiting, I saw a real cool looking bronco: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...150905_012.jpg :D Second set of dyno numbers: Run 1: - Normal, but with the changes I did above http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...905/run2_1.jpg Run 2: - As run 1, but with the extra advance from the cold idle solenoid http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...905/run2_1.jpg Run 3: - As run 1, but in 4th gear http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...905/run2_1.jpg It looks like they didn't catch my graph until after peak torque; 66 MPH = 2983 RPM in 4th gear. 76 MPH = 3435 RPM Either way, it still helped. That all being said, remember what I have on this truck: 1. "stock" rebuilt motor -- no special pistons, bearings, rods or anything 2. Headstuds(which won't affect the performance, except in keeping it together) 3. Banks Sidewinder turbo(wastegated model), used from Craigslist. Paid 550 for it. 4. RD2-110 pump from Justin at R&D IDI Performance. Cost me 1200 all told 5. Justin's Stage 1 injector nozzles, put into injectors and tuned by yours truely. 6. /mechanical/ fuel injection pump 7. "Hot air" intake -- I've just got a filter on the top of the motor So, yeah, I'm pretty happy with it so far. Especially compared to one N/A IDI which ran... and got a whopping 87 HP. And compared to stock Powerstrokes making in the 205-220 range. Hopefully I'll get a chance to come up with RWTK numbers; knowing the HP and gearing I should be able to calculate it. Edit: I've changed my most "real" run, the 246.5HP run, with HP, TWK and RPM numbers: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/image...4_adjusted.png Peak RWTK is somewhere between 2500 and 2800, and at least 478 ft/lbs |
Good numbers man. Upgrade that turbo and I'm guessing you would be damn close to 300hp. How much boost were you getting out of the Banks?
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Originally Posted by 88 Ford IDI
(Post 15622106)
Good numbers man. Upgrade that turbo and I'm guessing you would be damn close to 300hp.
I really need to find something that "flattens" the torque curve; I'd love to be making most of 480 RWTK at 1600RPM.
Originally Posted by 88 Ford IDI
(Post 15622106)
How much boost were you getting out of the Banks?
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A VGT will definitely flatten out the power curve. There used to be a guy over on Competition Diesel who makes electronic controllers for those.
And yes I would assume that you ate overpowering the spring on the wastegate. You could modify that but I would just replace the turbo since you plan on doing that anyway. Good numbers anyway! |
Rob's Dyno Day - 248 HP IDI! (Hunting 4 Horsepower)
Nice numbers! Thanks for sharing. Did Justin make it? Edit: doh, that pic didn't load last time I opened this post.
Am I the only one that thinks it's odd to have HP x MPH on a dyno graph? HP x RPM makes a lot more sense to me... Thanks for calculating out the torque and RPMs for people like me that stink at math! |
Originally Posted by The_Josh_Bear
(Post 15624297)
Nice numbers! Thanks for sharing. Did Justin make it? Edit: doh, that pic didn't load last time I opened this post.
Originally Posted by The_Josh_Bear
(Post 15624297)
Am I the only one that thinks it's odd to have HP x MPH on a dyno graph? HP x RPM makes a lot more sense to me... Thanks for calculating out the torque and RPMs for people like me that stink at math!
I did see the crew at the other(stock/low-power) dyno pull out an OBD-2 cable for some vehicles; I'm sure that would give more data on those charts. (No, they didn't pull out the cable for Justin's rig). Effectively, yes it's a pain... but at least having the MPH numbers means it's calculable. |
Originally Posted by The_Josh_Bear
(Post 15624297)
Nice numbers! Thanks for sharing. Did Justin make it? Edit: doh, that pic didn't load last time I opened this post.
Am I the only one that thinks it's odd to have HP x MPH on a dyno graph? HP x RPM makes a lot more sense to me... Thanks for calculating out the torque and RPMs for people like me that stink at math! |
Yes, usually they use an optical tach with a reflective tape strip on the balancer or OBD-2 hookup to pickup rpm for torque calcs. It uses the rpm input to calculate the torque.
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I watched Rob's second run (The first from a distance, I didnt know it was him, only that a Bricknose was on the Dyno, and I was mentioning how cool it was that I wasnt the only IDI to my friends...)
When I was in line for the Dyno the first time, Rob came up and introduced himself, and I was very happy to meet him, also to see that the IDI I was talking about not only was laying down good numbers, but had R&D stickers on the side!... So that being said... Take the numbers listed with a grain of salt... If the dyno Rob was running was set for a 4% correction, his numbers were about 20% low... I can personally assure you, even with a sidewinder, Rob has a 300whp+ truck... Rob, it was good to meet you finally man... When I get some event's going on this side, you need to show up, you are close enough man! |
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
(Post 15626430)
I watched Rob's second run (The first from a distance, I didnt know it was him, only that a Bricknose was on the Dyno, and I was mentioning how cool it was that I wasnt the only IDI to my friends...)
When I was in line for the Dyno the first time, Rob came up and introduced himself, and I was very happy to meet him, also to see that the IDI I was talking about not only was laying down good numbers, but had R&D stickers on the side!... So that being said... Take the numbers listed with a grain of salt... If the dyno Rob was running was set for a 4% correction, his numbers were about 20% low... I can personally assure you, even with a sidewinder, Rob has a 300whp+ truck... Rob, it was good to meet you finally man... When I get some event's going on this side, you need to show up, you are close enough man! |
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
(Post 15626430)
I watched Rob's second run (The first from a distance, I didnt know it was him, only that a Bricknose was on the Dyno, and I was mentioning how cool it was that I wasnt the only IDI to my friends...)
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
(Post 15626430)
When I was in line for the Dyno the first time, Rob came up and introduced himself, and I was very happy to meet him, also to see that the IDI I was talking about not only was laying down good numbers, but had R&D stickers on the side!...
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
(Post 15626430)
So that being said... Take the numbers listed with a grain of salt... If the dyno Rob was running was set for a 4% correction, his numbers were about 20% low... I can personally assure you, even with a sidewinder, Rob has a 300whp+ truck...
Originally Posted by RacinNdrummin
(Post 15626430)
Rob, it was good to meet you finally man... When I get some event's going on this side, you need to show up, you are close enough man!
Originally Posted by Romel77
(Post 15626856)
That sure shows that even mild turbo when corectly set and all the accesory involving it, can put down some serious numbers.
Originally Posted by Romel77
(Post 15626856)
U need to work on the cosmetics a bit and it is going to be head turner.:)
Last winter, I slid it around a tree when I got stuck in the snow, and I keep making things more out of whack every time I try to get things better -- I found the right front body mount was totally disconnected, installed a new one, and in order to get things to bolt down right, my front fender panel is now not square to the rest of the cab. *sigh*. Realistically, there's a much better chance of me finding another OBS(maby a CCLB) cheap and dropping my drivetrain in it than there is of actually making my truck look /good/. Making it look like something from Roadkill, however... :P |
This is similar to the setup that I want. Great numbers man!
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Originally Posted by Macrobb
(Post 15622132)
Yeah, I think I'm gonna need one. I'm going to be looking into VGT turbos; problem is that while these numbers are all in the 2K to 3K range, I'm driving around in the 1400-1900 RPM range, where the current turbo barely spools.
I really need to find something that "flattens" the torque curve; I'd love to be making most of 480 RWTK at 1600RPM. There is the article about it, however in Czech, use google translator. ?ty?i turba pro nový diesel od BMW ? Novinky.cz |
Originally Posted by Romel77
(Post 15639472)
Have u thought of a biturbo setup? I am not a genius how to hook it up and make the turbos switch one to another but it is the way EU engine makers go.
It's probably easy enough to do, it's just money for the turbos and exhaust fabrication. At this point, what my next step is, is that I'm going to talk to Justin. I've got to PM him, see if he'll be around week after next; I'm going to be within a few miles of his house. At that time, if I can I'd like to go see him and talk about turbo options. See what he can get for me and what costs. I want to see first off if his Stg1-3 turbos(remember, he has new ones now) can spool nicely at low RPM, or whether I will /need/ a VGT. Unfortunately, VGTs seem to be larger than normal turbos, so I'm thinking it might not fit at the back of the engine; it might need to be mounted on the passenger side fender well, like the other guy who did a VGT did. |
What I thought is we have here local kind of truck that uses a turbo, bigger one non wastegated or smaller one wastegated, the displacement of the engine is 3.5 liter diesel, which would maybe fit to each bank, the beauty is u can pick them up for extremely cheap and rebuilt is cheap. I have searched for the map, but can not find it anywhere, have to contact the manufacturer. Have to talk about it with Justin as well.
Well I meant biturbo setup originaly with one small one for lower rpm and then the bigger getting on, but it is just the theory, I do not know how to hook it up and control. Have to educate myself in that field. It is just the thought. |
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