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Originally Posted by Skip1970
(Post 14898594)
this is where your wrong, the pathfinder tailshaft is the right length to use the 2wd shaft.
they were designed by pathfinder to convert 2wd vans into 4wds easier just pull rear tailhouse and install pathfinder one and its ready to bolt to np205 Is there any trick to getting the 2WD tailshaft to drive the t.case? The 2WD tailshafts I've been used to had U-joint yokes which obviously wouldn't work. But I'm not sure what the tailshaft of a slip-yoke trans looks like. I wouldn't think it would happen to mate up with an NP205 input shaft. Was there an adapter? Or do you replace the t.case input shaft with a custom one that does mate up with the tranny? |
Originally Posted by Nothing Special
(Post 14899724)
Cool. That sounds like a good way to go if you can find it.
Is there any trick to getting the 2WD tailshaft to drive the t.case? The 2WD tailshafts I've been used to had U-joint yokes which obviously wouldn't work. But I'm not sure what the tailshaft of a slip-yoke trans looks like. I wouldn't think it would happen to mate up with an NP205 input shaft. Was there an adapter? Or do you replace the t.case input shaft with a custom one that does mate up with the tranny? there all splined for 32 input so i would think it would be fine, you might need to cut the threaded part of the yoke nut goes on tho. im not sure. if it has a yoke boy that would make it easier to go divorced. |
Originally Posted by Skip1970
(Post 14899979)
... if it has a yoke boy that would make it easier to go divorced.
However the t.case will need to be mounted much more solidly in a divorced installation (the mount has to withstand all of the drivetrain torque rather than counting on the t.case-to-trans flange bolts for that). And you are limited to a t.case that is available in a divorced set-up, which is pretty much the NP205 until you get into heavy truck applications. So from a t.case perspective it might be easier to not go divorced. Overall, either will be work and either can work. edit: weird, I didn't add the link to the NP205. The site did that automatically. |
Originally Posted by Nothing Special
(Post 14900463)
All 2WD trannies will have a yoke, either directly on the tailshaft or else on the shaft that slips in the tailshaft to provide the "slip yoke" function. So as far as the trans is concerned it's always easier to convert a 2WD to a 4WD by adding a divorced t.case - you literally don't need to do ANYTHING to the trans.
However the t.case will need to be mounted much more solidly in a divorced installation (the mount has to withstand all of the drivetrain torque rather than counting on the t.case-to-trans flange bolts for that). And you are limited to a t.case that is available in a divorced set-up, which is pretty much the NP205 until you get into heavy truck applications. So from a t.case perspective it might be easier to not go divorced. Overall, either will be work and either can work. edit: weird, I didn't add the link to the NP205. The site did that automatically. obviously you need a slipjoint in a driveshaft if theres no slip in the tailshaft wich most c6's have. unless its a heavy duty motorhome c6 that would have a bolt on flange yoke. |
Thank you everyone for all of the useful info. I have found a reputable company on long island that may take on the work. I took some additional photos comparing the two RV's. Please let me know your thoughts on compatibility. Thanks,Chris
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...ea505655d1.jpg 08 Front Axle https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...9b8090cf61.jpg 08 Front axle 2 https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...0cf8d3bb68.jpg 08 front coil and shock https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...5b89c99a45.jpg 08 Front coil https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...97684e68e6.jpg 97 front coil https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...b63aac081e.jpg 97 front coil 1 |
looks like a piece of cake swap
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Sorry for all of the giant photos. I think I fixed the problem. Lets try this again.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...d5cd28fe7b.jpg 08 Front axle https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...404f8f35ac.jpg 08 Front axle https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...3ed9e4c7b0.jpg 08 Front coil and shock https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...0b095aafeb.jpg 08 Front coil https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...3979fabd39.jpg 97 front coil https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...9fcbbb0e14.jpg 97 front coil |
The Rear
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...ea904b49b9.jpg 08 leaf spring mount https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...8d7626bea1.jpg 97 leaf mount https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...87edc11872.jpg 08 rear leaf with air bag https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...523d247324.jpg 08 rear axle shock and sway bar https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...f112d432a8.jpg 97 rear shock https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...07ce7479fa.jpg 08 rear axle |
Tranny
https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...d8f9d32ab6.jpg 08 tranny sticker https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...61a064a695.jpg 97 tranny stamp https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...a11e89058b.jpg 08 tcase https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...d14b6604ba.jpg 08 tcase sticker |
last one I promise. I forgot to include earlier
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...87c5cc3be7.jpg 08 torsion bar axle support? https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...fcc1ff6d6e.jpg 97 torsion bar axle support? |
i hate barcodes. wish they never existed.
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For what it's worth, the single arms on the '97 are generally called radius arms. The twin arms on the '08 are generally called upper and lower control arms. Torsion bars are used in place of springs (or more accurately, as a type of spring) to support the load. They don't locate the axle.
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Thanks "Nothing Special", I am really not all that versed in the proper part names. I was just going with what I kind of new from a wrangler I own.
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Thank you to everyone that has offered some info regarding this build. I have continued to search online regarding mounting the transfer case from the 08 on to the tranny of the 97.
If anyone has any other info I would love to hear it. This is what I have found: The Quigley conversion on the 08 has what looks like a spacer between the tranny and tcase. It turns out this spacer is really an adapter that quigley has created to allow the connection of a 2wd tranny to the tcase. Quigley doesn't want to spend time tearing down a tranny to put in a 4wd output shaft (makes sense, time consuming). Can anyone verify that this info is correct. Does anyone know it this adapter would be compatible between the 97 and 08? I understand that the trannys are different but are the 2wd output shafts and tail cone mounting holes the same. Thanks, Chris |
Originally Posted by cdigiaco
(Post 14945876)
Thank you to everyone that has offered some info regarding this build. I have continued to search online regarding mounting the transfer case from the 08 on to the tranny of the 97.
If anyone has any other info I would love to hear it. This is what I have found: The Quigley conversion on the 08 has what looks like a spacer between the tranny and tcase. It turns out this spacer is really an adapter that quigley has created to allow the connection of a 2wd tranny to the tcase. Quigley doesn't want to spend time tearing down a tranny to put in a 4wd output shaft (makes sense, time consuming). Can anyone verify that this info is correct. Does anyone know it this adapter would be compatible between the 97 and 08? I understand that the trannys are different but are the 2wd output shafts and tail cone mounting holes the same. Thanks, Chris i do not understand why you can not just bolt the 08 V10 trans to your 97 V10 |
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