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MOOSE_MACHINE 07-20-2014 11:22 AM


Originally Posted by clux (Post 14520777)
Well, that and the fact that he had nothing but trouble with his 7.3's injector cups SEVEN times.

I read through his post before I did mine and I am glad that I did. This part stood out to me when I read it and it stuck in this little noodle of mine.
" Man oh man, what a day. I got tutored in cleanroom diesel work. I had no idea how clean I needed to have those holes. Rich got #2, the only one leaking, sparkling clean and we seated the new cup. Its curing now. We'll give it a pressure test tomorrow and button it up. This clean thing is the issue - I'm not doing it well enough."
It kinda states why he may have had so many troubles with his injector cups the first six times. I admit that it would be testing having to deal with the issue as many times as he did but it goes to show attention to detail can be the culprit maybe more often then not. Rich, good on you for helping him out.

SpringerPop 07-20-2014 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by MOOSE_MACHINE (Post 14521016)
but it goes to show attention to detail can be the culprit maybe more often then not.

Actually, it's usually LACK of attention to detail that gets ya'!

But you knew that...... :)

Pop

MOOSE_MACHINE 07-20-2014 12:47 PM

;).............

River19 07-21-2014 06:12 AM

Back when I bought mine in 2010 with 79K on the clock (just came in on a bad debt trade and wasn't really even listed, or detailed in any way) I paid $15K flat......I could have had any number of very clean 6.0 Lariats, CCs etc. with less miles for $2-3K LESS.

JOHN2001 09-22-2014 05:49 AM

I had a brother here tip me about this thread wondering how my new to me 6.7 stacked up against the PS 6.7. I don't want to over step so I figure I'd ask and see if anyone else was interested to know first

Tugly 09-22-2014 06:24 AM

I'm curious about the new Cummins 6.7L, but mostly about the crap they hang on it. It's the cling-ons with the Ford that bother me, in regards to the new diesel engines. Europe has found a way to make small diesel engines that meet emission standards - without so much post-engine whiz-bang. I don't yet know how this translates in scale, like for OTR trucks.

CampSpringsJohn 09-22-2014 06:27 AM

I know the Ford 6.7's are very nice vehicles. A good friend of mine has an 09 Dodge and he loves it. His is a bone stock highway queen. Most of the time he only tows his Airstream. I drove it when he got it, and it certainly isn't lacking for power! Gets very good mileage, he drives like an old man. I was quite shocked how quiet it is inside his cab while driving it. He also hates the idiots that drive around with the tow mirrors flipped up while not towing, but are very nice when you do tow.

CampSpringsJohn 09-22-2014 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by Tugly (Post 14684155)
I'm curious about the new Cummins 6.7L, but mostly about the crap they hang on it. It's the cling-ons with the Ford that bother me, in regards to the new diesel engines. Europe has found a way to make small diesel engines that meet emission standards - without so much post-engine whiz-bang. I don't yet know how this translates in scale, like for OTR trucks.

I know much discussion on this topic can get this thread moved to The Club. But, I was talking to a guy that does a lot of tuning for both the 5.9 and 6.7 Cummins, and he told me that at least on the 6.7, tuning is available to make the 6.7 meet emission standards, and still get the same power without all the pollution crap on them while getting better mileage.

JOHN2001 09-22-2014 07:09 AM

EFI live is available for the 6.7 cummins. Honestly I don't know what tune is loaded to my truck but it's so nice that I do not want to change it.
I have driven the 6.7 PSD and I'll admit it is a very nice and powerful engine that obviously was intended to pull. While not pulling I felt it was lacking, mileage was horrible and the transmission strategy was down right annoying to me personally.
My cummins is illegal to drive (I know) because of the dpf/egr delete, it has an aftermarket turbo because the stock vgt is a known weak point though the stock exhaust brake is favored highly I do not have one. My turbo is a very small 62/80 that lights almost instantly. The worse mileage that I have recorded to date has been 16 and and the best has been 17.76 mpg with spirited driving 70% city driving. I've noticed the mileage does not change much no matter what I'm doing with the truck. That's also hand calculated if I listen to the overhead I would never get worse then 19 and a best of 26.7
My truck stacked up to a stock 6.7 PSD is in no way a fair playing field. The stock transmission behind the cummins is good but not great. The shifting strategies are geared for driving and mileage more then pulling. With 4:10 gears at 70 mph with 35s my rpms are roughly 1600, that is not ideal in most situations. 5tha and 6th gear come way to early. The PO of my truck had a RevMax 850 installed which is a bulletproof transmission that will handle 850 horsepower. My truck is a pull truck that has a side benefit of a lot of power.
Adding power with my cummins is a pricy deal. Not because it's hard to make power infact it's just the opposite problem. It's so easy that if the right precautions are not taken things come apart easily.

CampSpringsJohn 09-22-2014 07:18 AM

I know the 6.4's can make power pretty reasonably. I think they may have the edge over the 6.7's right now. I'm sure part of that is the aftermarket has been playing with that engine longer than the 6.7. My buddy claims to have gotten over 25mpg out of his stock 6.7 Dodge. His brother has a Dodge 2014 6.7, top of the line truck. It is basically a top of the line SUV with a pickup bed. Too nice of a vehicle to use as a truck in my opinion, which he doesn't.

JOHN2001 09-22-2014 08:14 AM

The 6.4s are no joke and I thought very hard about getting one of those too but with those truck the price is still a little far fetched in my mind and having to get rid of the emissions things on those engines are also a must for the utmost power, reliability, and mileage. 500 Hp out of the 6.4 or 6.7 is the low end of power. I'm around a conservative 500 Hp though I know it's more then that but I say 500 because I have no dyno results and no interest in getting one either.
I also can't stand when guys leave the tow mirrors flipped up.
The main reason that I went with my truck is because I knew what was done to it, no expence was spared anywhere that I could tell so I took the chance based off of what I could tell. Everything that I would do to the truck was already done. The weak points were addressed and only top of the line parts were used. When I bought it I had no idea about the transmission that was in it. It turned out my hunch was dead on when I found out that there was an $8k transmission behind the engine.
I have no regrets in the decision I made and I do not miss my 7.3 often. If anyone has any questions for me please ask, that's why I posted here and brought this thread back to life.

CampSpringsJohn 09-22-2014 09:56 AM

I was under the impression that the automatics behind the cummins were top notch. I recently learned that I was wrong. Apparently they have issues just like the 7.3 guys do that turn up the power.

I saw a Dodge a year back that I considered buying. It was a flood/insurance truck, and the shop that had it was just getting started on it. The back end was under water, but the water line was only a couple inches above the oil pan as far as the motor went. The shop owner figured that a thorough cleaning of that truck, flush engine, tranny, and differentials, drop the fuel tank and clean, flush the lines, and you could have a good truck for less than half the price of a new one. It was a 2013, with less than 10,000 miles. Water did get into the cab, but only a couple inches. The seats were fine.

A/Ox4 09-22-2014 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by CampSpringsJohn (Post 14684678)
I was under the impression that the automatics behind the cummins were top notch. I recently learned that I was wrong. Apparently they have issues just like the 7.3 guys do that turn up the power.

Where on earth did you get that idea??? Haha

Its not unheard of for them to swap a 4R100 into even the newest trucks.

JOHN2001 09-22-2014 10:25 AM

If you want reliability stay away from a stock dodge automatic lol I'd like to know who's spreading that rumor....

CampSpringsJohn 09-22-2014 10:35 AM

Well, they are not good tranny's.


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