Any word on the 2014 Expedition?
 

Given we're in the middle of May, I would think we'd have a fair idea of the new model. Thanks

We don't have any 100% concrete information yet. However, all the hints from Ford engineers/marketing folks seem to point to the Navigator getting the Ecoboost and the Expedition getting the 5.0L. Both trucks might get the 3.7L V6 as a base/fleet level option.

Other than that, we know it's still supposed to be truck based (F150 chassis) and it will likely loose some weight thanks to the use of more aluminum and high-strength steel.

Yes, I've followed all of those threads. I have a hard time believing that Ford would revert to a solid axle after all these years. It seams that we would have more solid rumors or answers at this late date. Someone knows. :-X0A6 When is the 2014 Job 1, August? Just a couple months away. thanks

Any word on the 2014 Expedition
 

I keep this thread updated: FYI - 2015 Ford Expedition to get 5.0 liter 32-valve Ti-VCT V-8 - Ford Expedition Forum

Ford confirmed the Expedition would get the 5.0 liter V-8. Matt VanDyke (global director at Ford) also said the Navigator would be avalible with EcoBoost engines.

The next Expedition will arrive sometime later in 2014 for the 2015 model year (if development is not delayed). If pushed back it may not be released until 2015 for the 2016 model year.

A powertrain test mule was spotted back in March (see below):
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The test mule has a modified air intake with parts of the Expedition's grille to feed and cool the air hungry engine (a EcoBoost V-6) and turbo boost gauges are tacked onto the interior A-pillar. The yellow sticker up top of the windshield is a identification sticker for that test mule (there is more than one mule).

A revised four-wheel independent suspension system, 5.0 liter 32-vavle Ti-VCT Coyote V-8, 10-speed automatic transmission, dual rear inflatable safety belt airbags, and lighter weight are some improvements in store.

Here we are in the middle of June, Job 1 should be what, 6-8 weeks away? I sure would like to know the exact details. Thanks

Those of us with details including order guides are bound by our contracts to not provide info.

After waiting years for a redesigned/repowered Expedition, this continues to be very sad news:


2014 Expedition Overview


The 2014 Ford Expedition provides top-end towing capability of 9,200 pounds, spaciousness and power for those seeking a do-it-all full-size SUV. The independent multilink rear suspension adds comfort and roominess. The array of equipment groups offers a variety of comfort, convenience, capability and appearance options, as well as extended-length versions.


Key features include:

• New available mechanical load-leveling system is quieter than outgoing air-based system
• Up to 20 mpg highway from the flex fuel-capable 5.4-liter V8 engine and six-speed automatic transmission
• Standard rear-wheel drive; four-wheel drive available
• SYNC^® system features USB or Bluetooth^® connectivity and optional voice-activated navigation with HD Radio^™
• 20-inch chrome-clad aluminum wheels as well as dual-head-restraint DVD system available on Limited and King Ranch
• Control Trac^® 4WD provides sure-footed control on any road:
  • 2H (4x2) setting for normal, dry on-road driving
  • 4A (4x4 auto) setting for all on-road conditions
  • 4H (4x4) setting for slippery roads
  • 4L (4x4 low) setting for pulling a boat out of the water or at low speeds
• PowerFold^® third-row seats fold flat at the touch of a button, increasing cargo space up to a maximum 130.8 cubic feet in EL models
• Standard trailer sway control, which uses selective braking and engine management to tame unwanted trailer movement
• Integrated trailer brake controller available on XLT, standard on Limited and King Ranch
• Ford’s leading safety and security features, including:
  • AdvanceTrac^® with RSC^® (Roll Stability Control^™
  • Safety Canopy^® System side air curtain technology for all three rows
  • Dual-stage airbags for driver and front passenger
  • Tire Pressure Monitoring System
  • SOS Post-Crash Alert System^™
  • MyKey^® programmable vehicle key allows parental controls on driving speed
  • SecuriCode^™ keypad entry system
• MSRP: TBA
• Manufacturing location: Kentucky Truck Plant, Louisville, Ky

Full story and specs here:

Glossy PDF: http://media.ford.com/images/10031/2014_Expedition.pdf

Specs sheet: 2014 Expedition | Ford Motor Company Newsroom

Wow That sucks! NOT EVEN A POWER BOOST! all this is Copy and Paste since 2007for the expedition,2005 for the navigator!

No ****, the only change I see over my 2013 is the mechanical load-leveling system. Not sure I ever end heard my air actuated system running.

2014 will be the last model year for the current Expedition (known internally at Ford as the U324) and Expedition EL/Max (U354).

So for those of you who really liked the U324 (which was a good vehicle, even if dated) and have put off buying one, I suggest you go ahead and order your U324 or see a Ford dealer to select a U324 off their lot.

A concept rendering of the next Expedition - some styling will follow the Ford Atlas concept.
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So when will the actual redesign arrive?

Given the development stage of the redesign – around Fall 2014 or possibly Spring 2015.

Stages:

Preliminary design | design & mule testing | prototype testing | pre-production testing | production (finished product you can see and buy at dealership lots)

The next Expedition is at the "mule testing" stage (at the time of this writing). The new Expedition will be all-new, a complete vehicle redesign, which takes time.

It will be like the new Explorer on steroids.

I drive a 2012 Ford F150 XLT SuperCrew, coming from a 2007 Expy XLT. I want back into the full sized SUV, but I look at the 2013 Expy interior and look at my truck and say no way to Ford. I am hopeful that they get to 25 MPG highway when I am ready to move my truck in 2-3 years.

Seriously Ford, your Full sized SUV cannot have an interior worse than your truck, it can't. Now I am looking at what GM is doing to their Tahoe/Yukons. If you don't put an Ecoboost in the Expy, I am afraid you'll break my Ford buying pattern.

I agree my patience is running out with ford, truck has a great interior when compared to the expedition.

interior.....Lol!! I can live with the interior how about an engine upgrade?

Bingo!!

3/4 ton version with engine choices including a diesel. :-X22

High-quality interiors with meticulous fit-and-finish are coming, along with new powertrain options (engine and transmissions). The next Expedition’s towing capacity will close the gap between the discontinued Excursion. So there will be no need for a three quarter-ton version.

Jackie DiMarco is at the helm of the next Expedition’s design and engineering – so expect great things from the all-new 2015 Expedition. DiMarco is also the lead chief engineer for the all-new 2015 F-150 pickup (which is no coincidence).

It takes time to design an all-new vehicle as complex as the Expedition, the engineers want to get it right – the first time.

The "gap" you mention 9K as opposed to 12K.... which can not be closed without significant frame stiffening and suspension mods. See SD models as an example. However the example of what is out there now, is a 3/4 ton Burb with the 6.2, and it performs just OK towing near it's limit, but is vastly superior to the Expedition at this time. Neither vehicle is suited for 10k+ towing regularly, or stopping even at it's tow rating ,IMO. The gap is power and stability, and power comes from torque and stability comes from suspension. I also hear ...The ole 8.1 is coming back for government motors, and that will close the gap, but the mileage is gonna be poor, but it will pull down a house.

So I disagree.

The 3/4 ton Suburban has the 6.0L, not the 6.2L. The current 6.0L makes 360hp/380ft-lbs tq, which is exactly the same as what Ford's 5.0L is putting out. The Ecoboost and Ford's 6.2L both blow that engine away.

As far as the 8.1L returning, where did you hear that? I really doubt it. Most are saying GM's next gen HD trucks will get a version of GM's new 6.2L Ecotec3, which makes 420hp/450ft-lbs tq in half ton trim (more HP and TQ than the old 8.1L)

As far as going from 9,000 to 12,000lbs towing rating, you can pretty much count on it. GM's half tons went from 10,500lbs towing to 12,000lbs towing with the new models and I'm positive Ford will follow.


The 3/4 ton suburban was actually dropped from GM's 2014 lineup and there is a good chance it won't return once they change over to the new platforms. GM's new half-ton platform is capable of towing more than what the old 3/4 ton Suburban could.

Your right... it wasn't a Burb it was a Yukon... I think an 09. IMO... much, much better than the Expedition. However the Burb will no longer come in a 3/4 ton model for 14 just the Yukon, as you've stated.

Tow Ratings are one thing, actually towing is vastly different. My good ole Excursion 7.3 PSD is an example of a large family vehicle able to tow up hills and mountains with relative ease especially comparing to the Burb/Yukon or the even more so with the under-powered Expedition. The Ex needs the 6.2 engine... possibly in variants such as turbo or SC for torque, or just put a Diesel in it,and be done.

Proof is in the pudding... so we'll see. I don't think Ford had the engineering wisdom to go back to a diesel or the willingness to provide enough power to make the new expedition perform with 12K hanging off the back.

I'm gonna be from Missouri on this one. just sayin'

No Yukon 3/4 ton either, both dropped for 2014.

In its final year, the Excursion (UW137) was officially rated to tow up to 11,000 lbs (4,989 kg or 5.5 tons). Not 12,000 lbs.

From 2000-2001, UW137 was rated with a maximum tow rating of 10,000 lbs (4,535 kg or 5 tons).

The current Expedition (U324) is rated for 9,200 lbs (4,173 kg or 4.6 tons). Almost what the 2000 and 2001 model year Excursions could handle.

The current U324 and U354 (long wheelbase) on dealer lots, already have larger disc brakes than the UW137 had. The Expedition also has four-wheel, four-senor, four-channel ABS with electronic brake force distribution (EBFD) and emergency brake assist (EBA) as well as trailer sway control (TSC); all of which the Excursion didn’t get, due to its short life cycle.

Adding to that, the Expedition (since 2013) now has TowCommand, with support for braked trailers with up to four axles.


The next-generation 2015 Expedition will barrow as much as it can from the next-generation 2015 Ford F-150 (P552) getting a new heavy-duty hydroformed fully boxed frame, even bigger brakes, new engines (one of which will be the 5.0 liter 32-valve DOHC Ti-VCT Coyote V-8), plus a 10-speed automatic transmission with ultra-low launch gearing for towing and pulling.

As a result, the next Expedition could very well be rated to tow close to 10,000 - 10,500 lbs (4,762 kg or 5.25 tons), which would be knocking on the Excursion’s door. Thus, closing the gap.

Ratings that close make a three quarter-ton SUV redundant.

For a guy with 8 posts, LocDoc seems to be in the know! I'm looking forward to learning more... thanks!

The 10-speed automatic transmission will be central to the next Expeditions performance, both in towing and allowing for better fuel efficiency.

1st gear - ultra low launch ratio
2nd gear - ultra low ratio
3rd gear - ultra low ratio
4th gear - low ratio
5th gear - medium ratio
6th gear - direct ratio
7th gear - high ratio
8th gear – high ratio
9th gear – ultra high ratio (overdrive)
10th gear – ultra high ratio (overdrive)

Reverse - standard ratio

Those are rough representations of gearing assignment, exact gearing ratios will be released when the gearbox’s development is complete. Cogs 8 and 7 may be considered overdrive as the gear ratios are fine-tuned during development. Cogs 1, 2, 3, and possibly 4, will be your power gears. Either way, the 10-speed gearbox will endow the next gen Expedition with unparalleled torque acceleration.

SelectShift manumatic range selection is guaranteed, along with other goodies like tow/haul mode. Paddle shifters mounted behind the steering-wheel are more of a toss-up. Maybe, maybe not. We shall see.

I’m certain the new Expedition will be released with the 6-speed 6R80 automatic transmission, with the 10-speed (I "suspect" it will bow as the 10R80 or 10R85) automatic transmission following soon thereafter if its not ready by launch date.

Your like an Expedition accountant... just numbers:-blah:-blah. Real world towing requires more than what the door sticker says. Hang 10K on the back and go up a mountain.... then back down.

I can not believe nor will I believe a 5.0 gasser in a 6500lb truck pulling 10K is gonna be anything but a dog. Sorry... I just don't see it. Why not put the 5.0 in the SD then? Seems like it would work on paper... or better yet discontinue the SD line and just use the new Expedition chasis instead.
When anyone tries to make something do everything... then the something does nothing well for everyone.

But... and this is a biggie... if it becomes the miracle as proposed then I'll have one towing my stuff.... but again... I'm gonna be from Missouri on this one.:-X06:

Sometimes experience trumps theory.

Keep in mind that, for 2015, Ford will start following the universal J2807 towing standard. Part of that standard says, at max GCWR, the truck needs to be able to climb a constant 5% grade over 11.17 miles (a 3000 ft climb) without dropping below 40mph. Also known as the Davis dam test.

So, whatever towing number the new vehicles are given you can bet the truck can handle it when properly equipped, unlike the arbitrary standard they've used in the past.

Also remember, the F150 and Expedition are both getting a complete redesign. Stronger frame, stronger axles, lighter body, bigger brakes, direct injected 5.0L, next gen Ecoboost, 9 or 10 speed transmission, etc.

You're talking about a totally different vehicle from the current Expedition and it's ancient 5.4L.

Actually, I’m an engineer.



One should realize half-ton trucks of today outperform three quarter-ton trucks of just 15 years ago, and one-ton trucks of 20 years back. Its called progressive engineering, new advancements in technology and design, allowing less to do more.

For example, the old Excursion used weak standard steel in its construction, which is why so much of it is used – to give it strength – which in-turn makes it heavy. Even still, there are areas like the A, B, C, and D-pillars of the Excursion which are weak. The Excursion would be unable to pass today’s roof-strength crush test.

The next Expedition will use reinforced aluminium and boron steel - boron is an exotic ultra-high strength steel that is far superior to the metals used on the Excursion. That is just progressive engineering.

The Excursion would get these advancements too, if it were still in production, but its not. The next Super Duty will however get these advancements as its due around 2016 or so.

But I can tell you the age of the 3/4-ton SUV has come to an end; Ford has no plans on reviving such a vehicle. General Motors is in the process of winding down their 3/4-ton SUV production.

So if the all-new 2015 Expedition does not float your boat, a 2016 Super Duty should make a good replacement for your Excursion.

Quite right, the Society of Automotive Engineers (SAE) J2807 standardized towing assessment and certification will go into effect with the next F-150 and Expedition. The next Super Duty will adopt the standard soon thereafter.

Toyota’s pickups and SUV’s have already undergone the standardized towing assessment.

The half-ton Toyota Tundra pickup is SAE J2807 certified to tow 10,500 lbs of braked trailer.

Put the "Lion Diesel" in it... then maybe then the engineering "marvel" will live up to it's potential. Running from it like a thief with the 3.7 in it, I am not a buyer with the 5.0 in it. Might be with the 6.2 and would be with an appropriately matched Diesel.

My old and poorly engineered Excursion has lots of good years in it. It will remain in demand and performing admirably and...lookie, lookie the used vehicle price reflects that reality. The purpose it was designed for, couldn't be more real/relevant today as it was back when they were manufactured.

Your are correct to say automobile companies have given up on a 3/4 ton variant but Dodge (wisely) has moved into the Diesel SUV market along with Mercedes, Audi, Volkswagen, BMW ... not bad company to keep.

Gotta say you kinda sound more like a salesperson then an engineer but you are well informed like a brochure. I'm old and trying to think where I once heard "if it sounds to good to be true, it probably is" :-roll... now where did I hear that?

... just sayin'

Firstly, the UW137 was not poorly engineered. It’s design used the most advanced engineering techniques available in the mid 90’s. It took several years of engineering & testing before it was launched in 1999 as a 2000 model.

But that was back in 1995, its 2013 now, and we have far more advanced design techniques at our disposal.


Dodge is not entering the diesel market, the only SUV they have is the Durango, which is scheduled to be discontinued in 2016 at the North Jefferson Plant.

Jeep's Grand Cherokee and Ram Truck's Ram 1500 (half-ton) pickup will be available later this year with a 3.0 EcoDiesel V-6 that makes 420 lb-ft of torque.

However, the Ford 3.5 EcoBoost V-6 also makes 420 lb-ft of torque and makes a full 125 more horsepower than Chrysler’s 3.0 EcoDiesel.

If the Durango does get the EcoDiesel, it will be a limited sales production run only, as its life cycle is about to end.

Clearly ... sarcasm escapes you... engineer flaw, way to literal. Thanks for the spirited discussion ... er um, I mean, talking points.:-X15

...just sayin'

I take my work seriously, lives depend on it. You’re welcome for the discussion; I value your opinions and thoughts.

Having a bunch of ecoboosts in our fleet I can tell you thea are WAY over rated I'd buy a 6.2 hands down over a ecoboost, more power, better mpg in the REAL world towing, zero issues and no NHTSA investigation. You can not compare the ecoboost to the diesel no matter how much ford Koolaid you consume.

Ford really needs to step up their game on the next expediton, I doubt they'll do it for many reasons but they need to. The problem, full size SUVs are a minor market with decreasing sales numbers almost annually. It's also losing profitability even when using a dated chassis and drivetrain as more buyers are fleets vs consumers which eats away at profitability.

When you look Ford is selling almost 4 explorers for every expedition. Heck even Jeep is selling Grand Cherokees at almost a 1:1 rate to the explorer. That shows how far ford has fallen and is falling behind. Stop talking about the ecoboost and start making something that actually is worth driving.

Yeah because leaf sprung suspensions on the front end were cutting edge in.....the 1950s not the 90s. The Expedition was dated before it was launched but that's an entirely different discussion.

Trust me ford will have another excuse to the reason they will not take part in the J2807 testing, it's what they've done for years now.

Quite sorry, but Expedition is still very profitable, and not only keeps strong sales, but has actually gained in sales over the last few years. Its sold in over 30 different countries around the globe (not including the United States), and is extremely popular in the Middle East and Philippines.

Expedition is a top seller in Saudi Arabia, and saw a 50 percent increase in sales in Kuwait. Expedition also saw a 50 percent sales increase in the United Arab Emirates (UAE). The Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) reported an unprecedented 130 percent sales increase just last year (2012) for the Expedition.

Buyers in those countries cite the Expedition’s reasonable price (compared to its competitors), fold-flat third row, and four-wheel independent suspension as just a few of the features which drew them away from the Tahoe and other less advanced SUVs (some of which are not sold in the U.S.).

So I assure you, the Expedition is still a major money maker. A testament to sound original engineering. This is even more impressive when you consider the current generation U324 and U354 (long wheelbase) Expeditions are now in their 7th, going on 8th model year since its 2007 redesign. It has had improvements added with every model year to keep it up-to-date with the times, since 2007.

The next generation Expedition will be every bit as ground-breaking in its design as its predecessors (the UN93, U222, and U324/U354).


The F-250 Super Duty and Excursion (UW137) axles were a new take on an old design, made better with more advanced engineering. Even the 10.5 Sterling axle was improved with modern technology (which was not around in the 1950s). Even still, I was referring to the vehicle’s core engineering and design.

The Expedition (U222) in 2002 became the first ever full-size SUV to make use of a four-wheel independent suspension system – allowing for fold-flat third row seating and better vehicle packaging. It still sets the standard in vehicle design for its class.

Jay Carney... is that you?

The expedition isn't even in the top 5 of profitability for Ford, it's not a money maker even with a 8 year old design as you stated. You really need to dig a bit deeper into ford's financials before making statements that are not factual.

2nd, nice back peddle on the excursion. There is no way around the fact it was old and out dated when it was released. The problem arose because ford was getting SMOKED by GM and their large SUVs and the time and had to crank out something, that something. The issue here is Ford can not get out from behind the curve, all you have to do is look at their great redesign on the Explorer which now sells almost 1 on 1 with the likes of the Grand Cherokee.

Actually, everything I post is factual. Money is made on every unit sold, if it were not, other plans would be made to address the issue. If the Expedition were not profitable at all for us, it would have been retired long ago or "reinvented" like the Explorer (U502) which is now car-based rather than truck-based. The Kentucky Truck plant stays busy keeping up with demand – including demand for the vehicle outside of the U.S. As I stated before, the vehicle is sold in 30 different countries competing on a global scale.

You’re only looking at total U.S. sales, not total global sales of the vehicle.

See for yourself (just one such example) Big old Ford Expedition gets surprise increase in 2012 sales | Drive Arabia : Dubai / Abu Dhabi [UAE, Saudi, Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, Oman & GCC]

The U502 (Explorer) is a great seller and will get a refresh soon to keep it up-to-date.