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A/Ox4 02-10-2013 08:47 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy001 (Post 12823887)
Why is everyone so stuck on the idea of a solid front axle? I would LOVE to see a heavy duty IFS underneath the next gen Super Duty. :-X22

Well you're in luck! All you need to do to get an IFS is get 2wd :)

A/Ox4 02-10-2013 08:51 PM


Originally Posted by LSchicago2 (Post 12823748)
That's what GM is for. GM should add rectangular tires to match......

Apparently it's already in testing :D

http://typophile.com/files/square-wheels_6612.jpg

Tom 02-10-2013 09:09 PM


Originally Posted by stewcon (Post 12824554)
Not True. My current '05 (which has been traded for a'13) has 143782 miles on it and the front end has never been touch. In contrast the last chev ('98) had the front end totally replaced at 73673 miles and was ready for another front end at 106759 miles when I got rid of it for my current '05. A solid axle is by far better than IFS system.

So because yours hasn't had any issues you flatly declare them all bulletproof?


Originally Posted by A/Ox4 (Post 12824625)
Well you're in luck! All you need to do to get an IFS is get 2wd :)

Yeesh...that ancient Twin I-beam front suspension isn't much to write home about either.

I'm not trying to say that the solid front axle is a bad thing, but there are some great reasons for IFS. And the idea that you can't design an IFS system that's tough enough is a complete myth. I like my Excursion and it's solid axle, but I would like it better if it had a solid independent setup.

A/Ox4 02-10-2013 09:18 PM

IFS is great for serious off roading, and Sunday drives. solid fronts are good for heavy duty stuff. I think the reasoning is that our trucks are targeted at hauling not off roading. Obviously we push them off road but they aren't rock climbers. I feel that a SA is very appropriate. It would be nice to have the option of both, perhaps as a heavy duty front suspension package. But the overhead for such a thing would be too great.

coastie.av8tor 02-10-2013 09:29 PM


Originally Posted by Anomic (Post 12811589)
The new design will come when new mileage standards force it. What is the gvw cutoff where they are not included in the corporate average anymore?


When the epa mandates the 25/350 get 25mpg you will see a manor redesign!

And the 450 will become way more popular!!

Same as I heard, or researched. I'm at a business school now and did a project on the Chevy Volt. Lots of info came of the research including new goverment fuel regs in the form of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards. Basically, every manufacturers fleet must meet a minimum fuel economy each year, and this number grows significantly each year. 1 or 2 hybrids in each fleet will no longer be enough to meet the CAFE in a few years. Hence the aluminum body F150 and who knows what mods to super duty trucks in the future. I don't think beefier axles that can increase GVWR and GCWR are top priority on Ford's future planning:'(.

Ian123 02-10-2013 10:12 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy001 (Post 12823887)
Why is everyone so stuck on the idea of a solid front axle? I would LOVE to see a heavy duty IFS underneath the next gen Super Duty. :-X22

Sorry, but that might be the one thing that would put me in a Dodge. Just some reasons why IFS sucks:

-overall weaker than solid axle
-hardly any suspension travel
-more expensive/complicated to lift

The only benefit is a nicer ride, which I don't see why everyone is so concerned with (i.e. the softer rear springs in the 11+ that squat like crazy). Its a heavy duty truck and should be designed for payload capacity, not a smooth ride.

Firekite 02-11-2013 12:46 AM


Originally Posted by A/Ox4 (Post 12824809)
IFS is great for serious off roading, and Sunday drives. solid fronts are good for heavy duty stuff. I think the reasoning is that our trucks are targeted at hauling not off roading. Obviously we push them off road but they aren't rock climbers.

Just for reference, the only time IFS tends to be a better choice off road is for high speed stuff. Rock crawlers tend to be much better off with a proper solid axle. Even the six-figure, ground-up custom rigs driven by the pros use solid axles. For everything but Baja races and such, a solid axle tends to be preferred.

While I'm sure it's technologically possible to engineer an IFS system that won't go pigeon-toed like when Chevys are pushed hard, I can't imagine it's worth it. They'll still be much more complex in design with more parts to break, more complex to maintain properly, more painful to lift, and more painful to work on. And while now the D60 is getting unit bearings for some reason, at least the have the option of switching back to proper spindles and hubs.

By the way...Bruin008, you really think that old 4th generation Mustang was the best looking one? Really? Better looking than the 5th? I can't imagine you'll find too many people who'd agree with you.

senix 02-11-2013 05:10 AM

SFA gets my money. IFS goes to the scrap yard.

IFS rides like a car on the hwy. That is the draw to them. But too weak overall and not a serious competitor for anything of real weight in its current form.

I Prefer the SFA especially for the heavier towing.

You can avoid ESOF problems by getting a manual 4x4 system.

MitchPeters 02-11-2013 08:49 AM


Originally Posted by LSchicago2 (Post 12823748)
That's what GM is for. GM should add rectangular tires to match......

Not like a GM. Like the '73-'79 wheel wells. The rounded ones have been around since '87.

TexasRebel 02-11-2013 09:42 AM

It'd be nice to get an IFS for the 4x2s. Twin I's are fine until the springs wear down. Then they just eat tires.

Firekite 02-11-2013 03:54 PM


Originally Posted by MitchPeters (Post 12825991)
Not like a GM. Like the '73-'79 wheel wells. The rounded ones have been around since '87.

Like this?

https://www.ford-trucks.com/user_gal...137805.520.390

senix 02-11-2013 03:57 PM


Originally Posted by Firekite (Post 12827497)

I'll take a couple copies of that Sir;)

Shake-N-Bake 02-11-2013 04:33 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy001 (Post 12823887)
Why is everyone so stuck on the idea of a solid front axle? I would LOVE to see a heavy duty IFS underneath the next gen Super Duty. :-X22

The two main reasons are durability and capability. It is hard enough to keep front end alignment as it is on a solid axle truck....I would hate to have to deal with IFS. The light trucks like our F-250/350 models aren't much of a problem but the higher class trucks have so much weight on the front axle that things actually bend over time. Fleet drivers are hard on vehicles, they would make short work of an IFS set up. We have tons of front end problems with our 2500 GMC trucks. If they can barely hold together in a 3/4 ton truck, then there isn't much hope for the higher class trucks. When GM was building medium duty trucks, they came with solid front axles.

MitchPeters 02-11-2013 05:06 PM


Originally Posted by Firekite (Post 12827497)

Exactly!!!

DanD2 02-11-2013 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by LSchicago2 (Post 12821777)
I buy v10's since EPA killed the diesels. No engine problems at all since 06.

V10 would be a nice choice but with the economy as it is, I doubt it would ever be offered again.....unless of course they could get it to 15+ mpg's.


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