Mating a later 3-speed to a y-block
 

Hey guys. I have a '61 F100 292 y-block with non-syncro'd 3-speed on the column.

I know of two other F100's that are a little newer (one is a '67 with a 300 and the other is a '68 with a 390) that have syncro'd 3-speeds with overdrive.

My question is, if I could find one of those could it be made to work with the y-block in my f100? If so, what would it take? Surely someone has done this before.

thanks
Michael

No such thing as a 3 speed manual all syncromesh transmission with Overdrive. If the above 3 speeds are all syncro, they do not have Overdrive.

The Borg Warner T-85N 3 Speed Manual w/Overdrive was an option in 1965/71 F100's. It does not have 1st gear syncro, so it is not an all syncromesh transmission.

1961/64 F100's were available with the optional Borg Warner T-86 3 Speed Manual w/Overdrive. It's not an all syncromesh transmission either, only the following is:

Ford type 3.03 3 Speed Manual all Syncromesh Transmission (no O/D) introduced in 1963 F100/250's with 223's & 292's.

To install one a these, find a 1963 or 1964 F100 (preferably a 1963) that is similar to a 1961/62 F100, get the trans, linkage, driveshaft and other necessary parts from it.

This trans was used from 1963 thru 1987 in a gazillion applications, including Ford/Merc Passenger Cars, F100/350's (F350's after 1966), Bronco's and Econolines.

But only 1963/64 F100's will have all the correct parts to install one a these type 3.03's in a 1961/62.

Bill, did the all synchro 303 ever come with an OD? I thought the ODs were on BW boxes only.

No transmission manufactured after 65 will fit the Y blocks bell pattern for three speeds.

Garbz

That's why I said to get the 3 speed manual all syncromesh trans from a 1963/64.

No type 3.03 had O/D. BW T-86 & T-85N are 3 speeds with O/D, without syncro 1st gear.

My 1965 F100 had the T-85N. You either double clutch into 1st gear, or wait until you came to a dead stop. I prefered the "old timey" double clutch method.

O/D kicks in/out between 30-35 MPH

You are correct. The ones I was talking about don't have syncro'd 1st gears... but they do have syncro'd 2nd and 3rd gears, which my transmission does not seem to have.
Or does my transmission have them and they're just worn out?

The two brass blocker rings on the 2/3 syncro are worn. 1961/62 F100/250's use a 3 speed manual without 1st gear syncro. 1963 and later is a different story.

It would be far cheaper (and waaay less labor intensive) to replace the two blocker rings, 3 syncro shoes, snap rings, gaskets, front/rear seals, than to swap trannies.

Besides, the used tranny you buy may not be any better than the original, could be a lot worse.

Thanks for the help.
That is the approach I will take. I wasn't aware that mine was even supposed to have syncros.
How complicated is it to replace the parts in question and where would I get them?
Can I do it with basic hand tools or would I need access to a press?

Aint that the truth.. I am still 2 T89B transmissions and 2 Rll's in to to making one good one.

Garbz

The main shaft/tailshaft comes out with basic hand tools and snap ring pliers once you remove the rear section. The input shaft and cluster gear do not need to come out to install the new parts.

I would purchase a shop manual if you do not have one, as it describes the procedure to replace them and has good reference drawings of the gears and how they relate.

Garbz

Thanks. Good to know.
I have a shop manual I just didn't realize that would be in there.
I will check it out.

Where can I buy the the two blocker rings, 3 syncro shoes, snap rings, gaskets and front/rear seals?