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redz284u 04-10-2013 11:08 PM

HELP!!!!!!!!pumped gas instead of diesel
 
So my son put premium unleaded instead of diesel.........WTF. The station by our house (Exxon mobil)has green label for premium unleaded and that's what he put. I'm so pist I could @"$)(;:*^%#}{_\~€ŁĄ•. More so I'm post at myself. I should have not let him.

Anyways what now. I drained the tank. Put half tank with 20 oz of diesel kleen. Started up and no strange noises. He only drove about 7-10 miles.

senix 04-11-2013 05:13 AM

Change fuel filters and manually purge at the fuel cooler.

redz284u 04-11-2013 07:03 AM

Immediately? Or after I drive it some. Some are saying to drive it at highway speeds for a good ways.

senix 04-11-2013 07:51 AM

Immediately! Purge till you are sure it is straight disel. You do not want that in the HPFP.

Pull and replace the filters. I would even suction the fuel bowl as well.

redz284u 04-11-2013 08:19 AM


Originally Posted by senix (Post 13052069)
Immediately! Purge till you are sure it is straight disel. You do not want that in the HPFP.

Pull and replace the filters. I would even suction the fuel bowl as well.

Crap I just drive it 45 miles to work. I'll see if there's any way to purge the HPFP here. Could it be done if I stuff some rags in there to soak up the fuel?

I hope I can make it home with out damaging anything. Hopefully that heavy dosing of diesel Kleen will get me there safe.

rbloodhound 04-11-2013 08:29 AM

Did you pump out the tank? How much gas was put in it?

senix 04-11-2013 08:30 AM

It is too late...don't bother now. You drove it and all that fuel that was in there has been consumed.

Change the filters though. That you can do easy whereever you are.

redz284u 04-11-2013 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by rbloodhound (Post 13052159)
Did you pump out the tank? How much gas was put in it?

Yes I cleared the tank, and drained the water separator under the driver side frame.

14 gal of gasoline were pumped in, and 20 were removed. When pumped said 50 miles to empty. After draining tank said 0 miles to empty. Pumped 20 gal diesel with 20 oz of diesel kleen

Tom 04-11-2013 08:55 AM

That's bad...

According to Ford, it's okay to drain the tank and flush the lines if the truck wasn't started. But if the engine was started the only authorized fix is complete replacement of the high pressure fuel system, which is typically over $10K.

I hope you were fortunate enough to get by without any damage, but I suspect damage has been done. :(

senix 04-11-2013 09:03 AM


Originally Posted by Crazy001 (Post 13052252)
That's bad...

According to Ford, it's okay to drain the tank and flush the lines if the truck wasn't started. But if the engine was started the only authorized fix is complete replacement of the high pressure fuel system, which is typically over $10K.

I hope you were fortunate enough to get by without any damage, but I suspect damage has been done. :(

I agree, hope for the best. Watch for metal in the fuel bowl.

redz284u 04-11-2013 09:04 AM

What kind of damage? How do I detect it. How will I know? What do I look out for? Man I feel sick to my stomach.

senix 04-11-2013 09:42 AM

All you can do filters and inspect the fuel bowl.

If you were to ensure all is well then a complete flush of the fuel system would be required.

Truthfully is it too late for all that.

Shine a light in the fuel bowl. No rust/No debris or metal..then I suspect you are going to be ok. If your HPFP was going to lunch I suspect it would of by now or the signs are there.

If you see metal I would have it towed. At least the injectors will be saved at this point.

redz284u 04-11-2013 09:48 AM

So the rust and metal would be immediate? Like I can do this now and see if its gona be ok or not? Or do I have to let it run for a bit.

And the fuel bowl is the fuel filter housing in the engine compartment right?

Have your kids ever done anything like this. Or is it just mine??? I don't honestly know what to say or do. I know it just a car, but at what point do yah draw the line? He is freakin 20 years old. To old for this kind of mistake....... Sorry guys just frustrated here

senix 04-11-2013 10:09 AM

Fuel bowl is the fuel filter housing on the motor. You would see the effects almost immediatley, I believe.

No one drives my truck. Period..car yes.

Even if clean I would continue to monitor for awhile.

redz284u 04-11-2013 10:13 AM

Senix. I appreciate all your help and direction. Even though by the time I read it I had already made it worse. Thanks though. Ill monitor and hope for best.

Thanks to the others that shared some light to.

senix 04-11-2013 10:16 AM

Report your findings back. I am being hopeful that all is well. Putting the diesel Kleen in there I am sure helped.

stutzismydog 04-11-2013 01:06 PM

There should/ might be a law depending on your state that service stations that dispense gasoline and diesel at the same pump island have only the GREEN pump handle on diesel products, like your son I have seen Green covers on gas pump handles and had to do a double take before pumping gas into my diesel pickup from a gas dispensing green pump handle. I would contact the service station that your son used and if the pump handle had a green cover and it was dispensing gas,….I would raise hell and contact my attorney and send a letter to the station owner and their franchise for false advertising. If you have to replace your diesel engine in your pickup because of confusion caused by false advertising a product (Green on Gas) a trip to your attorney may be cheap insurance to offset your loss and plumb-up the station owner about this confusing, stupid labeling. GOOD LUCK!! :o

redz284u 04-11-2013 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by stutzismydog (Post 13053021)
There should/ might be a law depending on your state that service stations that dispense gasoline and diesel at the same pump island have only the GREEN pump handle on diesel products, like your son I have seen Green covers on gas pump handles and had to do a double take before pumping gas into my diesel pickup from a gas dispensing green pump handle. I would contact the service station that your son used and if the pump handle had a green cover and it was dispensing gas,….I would raise hell and contact my attorney and send a letter to the station owner and their franchise for false advertising. If you have to replace your diesel engine in your pickup because of confusion caused by false advertising a product (Green on Gas) a trip to your attorney may be cheap insurance to offset your loss and plumb-up the station owner about this confusing, stupid labeling. GOOD LUCK!! :o


There's already a class action lawsuit in my state against Exxon Mobil for doing this. If my truck takes a dump, I will be joining/filing. I hope it doesn't lead to that because we all know how that ends up working out. 10 years from now
My lawyer will see some money.

UGA33 04-11-2013 01:25 PM

I've seen some live, but most will eventually have major fuel system issues. Like mentioned above, check the upper fuel filter every so often. If you see shiny metal flakes, you know you are on borrowed time.

GHeTTo JOe 04-11-2013 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by stutzismydog (Post 13053021)
There should/ might be a law depending on your state that service stations that dispense gasoline and diesel at the same pump island have only the GREEN pump handle on diesel products

last i knew there was no standard color or law for pump handle covers. only thing it states is that it should be clearly labeled. just curious if color is a big deal why are diesel cans yellow? we have the same issue here with people using wrong pump at the BP station, green is there color scheme.

curious if there is debris in the upper filter housing do you just wipe it out? is there a drain to drain it out?

senix 04-11-2013 02:00 PM

I think all of BP pumps are green...I stay away from them.

redz284u 04-11-2013 02:17 PM


Originally Posted by GHeTTo JOe (Post 13053151)
last i knew there was no standard color or law for pump handle covers. only thing it states is that it should be clearly labeled. just curious if color is a big deal why are diesel cans yellow? we have the same issue here with people using wrong pump at the BP station, green is there color scheme.

curious if there is debris in the upper filter housing do you just wipe it out? is there a drain to drain it out?

There I no law. But they should all follow the standard. And we all understand that green is for diesel.

It's like putting a street traffic light with red light that has "GO" written and green that says "stop".

Is it written somewhere that the color red is for stop only? Or green go? Yet we all follow the standard and manage to make it work

Ding126 04-11-2013 09:02 PM

how many miles on the truck? I would look into a warranty if possible..if something does happen to the motor I would file a claim with my insurance and go after the service station too..Good luck and hoping for the best.

pbeering 04-11-2013 11:03 PM

Take a deep breath folks. The two fuels have a different density and Ford was smart enough to anticipate that someone might do this and put a sensor in the HPFP chain to prevent it from coming unglued.

Drain and flush, replace filters. About $800 + embarrassment + lecture from tech.

Operational Experience:

Don't buy fuel when hugely sleep deprived
Buy fuel from the same places (even on the road)
Don't rely on color of anything on the dispenser

mich800 04-12-2013 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by redz284u (Post 13053227)
There I no law. But they should all follow the standard. And we all understand that green is for diesel.

It's like putting a street traffic light with red light that has "GO" written and green that says "stop".

Is it written somewhere that the color red is for stop only? Or green go? Yet we all follow the standard and manage to make it work

That is part of the problem. From my travels over the US there does not seem to be a standard for the diesel handle colors. Safest bet is to only hit the button that reads diesel. At least than if you put the incorrect hose in your tank it will not pump.

redz284u 04-12-2013 11:16 AM

so is this what you call "ON BORROWED" time?????
the curly substance ended up being something like a kevlar or pvc material. it is not metal. im letting it dry while i go to get the new filters.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/p...ctureid=127604

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/p...ctureid=127605

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/p...ctureid=127606

GHeTTo JOe 04-12-2013 01:57 PM

was there a few pieces of that?> looks like more in the lower part of the canister?

senix 04-12-2013 05:30 PM

That looks like cannister or filter.

Tom 04-12-2013 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by pbeering (Post 13055283)
Take a deep breath folks. The two fuels have a different density and Ford was smart enough to anticipate that someone might do this and put a sensor in the HPFP chain to prevent it from coming unglued.

Of which sensor do you speak?

kper05 04-12-2013 06:28 PM

I'm fairly certain whatever you put into the tank will make it all the way to the injectors, sensors or not.

I thought the HFCM was the only piece of hardware (with the WIF sensor) that attempts to check fuel quality.

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/p...ctureid=127651

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/p...ctureid=127652

RM2738 04-12-2013 09:33 PM

There is no regulation on pump handle color, separation of gas & diesel pumps nor location on the pump gas/ diesel on the pump when shared. We have a decent mix of Green & Yellow handles around here. There have been many instances where I start pumping and about 5 gallons in I have to double take to make sure I'm pumping diesel.

Ding126 04-13-2013 02:11 PM


Originally Posted by pbeering (Post 13055283)
Take a deep breath folks. The two fuels have a different density and Ford was smart enough to anticipate that someone might do this and put a sensor in the HPFP chain to prevent it from coming unglued.

Drain and flush, replace filters. About $800 + embarrassment + lecture from tech.

Operational Experience:

Don't buy fuel when hugely sleep deprived
Buy fuel from the same places (even on the road)
Don't rely on color of anything on the dispenser

Your comment that the fuels have 2 densities would imply that there is no need to worry because the fuel seperates and won't get picked up by the fuel system...You need to clarify what you are trying to say.

For my own piece of mind I mixed equal diesel and unleaded...The fuels mixed immediately and as of 15 minutes there is no sign of separation. Based on the OP comments he did say the truck was driven for a 10 or 17 miles or something like that....
I can honestly say your truck was contaminated..I would monitor things for a while..I wonder why no sensors that are alcohol sensitive aren't showing signs yet..

I guess my point was to clarify that diesel and gas mix really well..This will make me pay more attention during fueling when not in my local area. Which IN Ca. by the way are green handles for diesel.

Good Luck..and don't be so hard on the boy..It was an honest mistake that he will remember for the rest of his life.

auriferous 04-13-2013 07:40 PM

It's Not a control issue
 

Originally Posted by senix (Post 13052508)
Fuel bowl is the fuel filter housing on the motor. You would see the effects almost immediatley, I believe.

No one drives my truck. Period..car yes.

Even if clean I would continue to monitor for awhile.

this article/thread just took my appetite out the back door! My girl was obsessed with taking my truck for a drive and I just cringed at the thought of her driving it ! same with another friend ,just don't want some freak set of circumstances or blind negligence to cost me thousands,only to hear a half hearted "Sorry I had the radio up real loud and did 'nt hear anything else". I just had an emmissions warranty repair for a new HPFP installed on my truck and it was upways of 6k$ before taking a trip with the camper.Heard a story of a guy putting the DEF fluid in the diesel side of the 6.7 litre and that stuff just crystalizes immediately ,his solution was to drive to the dealership RIGHT AWAY!...........To late new motor! as a 21 year old kid in jersey i worked a bunch of OT got a new bike and rode up to new york for a weekend ,stopped for gas and grabbed the green handle and filled her up with diesel ! came back after paying saw what I did and cursed up a storm,then emptied the tank put a 1/2 gal of gas in removed it from bike swished it around ,dumped it , filled it up and fired it up she was fine ,lucky I looked .I would be glad this did not happen out in the desert far from help etc. [still SUCKS] but I hide this post every time she comes in the kitchen as I write this ! have to be dilligent and IN CONTROL...... No you can't drive my vehicle if I had to explain you would'nt understand !

StanleyZ 04-14-2013 07:58 PM

I'd like to acknowledge the high quality of individuals who can be found on FTE forums. I note that 735 people read this thread and I am proud to note that not one said that it was a good time to take the truck down and trade it in. That's impressive.

ETKMS 04-15-2013 01:19 AM


Originally Posted by StanleyZ (Post 13064748)
I'd like to acknowledge the high quality of individuals who can be found on FTE forums. I note that 735 people read this thread and I am proud to note that not one said that it was a good time to take the truck down and trade it in. That's impressive.

Now you just put the idea in his head!:-X04

bubbasz1 04-15-2013 04:59 AM

We'll here's my point of view on the whole mess, some have said that nobody but themselves drive there truck, Period!!! So this won't happen, well I too was in this group until I figured out it's just not practical, someone, sometime, is going to have to use and fuel the truck, SO teach them!! You don't go get gas in dad's truck you put fuel in it, Diesel, my wife now corrects me every time I say I'm going to get gas. It takes a while but it can be done, and if in the end it happens, don't have a heart attack, just do the best you can and remember it's only an (expensive to repair) truck but it's not your wife, son, or daughter.
Took me a long time but I sleep better at night not worrying about what's going to screw up tomorrow, take good care of it and it will take care of you, and missteps will happen along the way, deal with it when they happen.
BTW, I drive my truck like it's a sacred cow, my wife, whose normal driver is a 99 E250 high top with a 5.4 (DOG) drives it like it's stolen, I kinda think the truck likes that. :)

parkland 04-15-2013 12:32 PM

To the OP,

Did you keep you're fuel filter?
You should cut it apart, and see whats trapped in it.

redz284u 04-15-2013 03:44 PM

I kept both. I'm letting them dry out. I will open them up Friday. Will post pics. Will be a good indicator since they only had about 500 miles on them.

senix 04-15-2013 03:58 PM

For peace of mind I would pull the engine fuel filter and have another look as well

redz284u 04-15-2013 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by senix (Post 13067508)
For peace of mind I would pull the engine fuel filter and have another look as well

Believe me, I'm opening that up every Friday for te following 4 weeks


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