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schoo 12-03-2018 08:17 PM

I’ll see happens with the block and crank if can use my pistons it frees up some $$
And thanks my same thoughts but never took the time to paint an engine

Scndsin 12-04-2018 12:55 AM

Man that's a sweet truck.

Did all the parts separate with lots of cardboard, blue tape & plugs.

Block was on the stand.

All those "all over" paint jobs on the tee-vee shows drive me nuts.

Things need to come apart from time-to-time & big chunks of paint breaking off bolt heads & mating surfaces, seams, etc. get everywhere & in everything.

This pic is actually from before my build with just some clean up & detailing. I never had a full dress pic after the rebuild till it was back in.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...81bbba58a6.jpg

schoo 12-04-2018 07:32 AM

Thanks Dave, pictures are always good

schoo 12-04-2018 02:36 PM

What about m6250-e303 cam with GT40 Heads will these mate up to my efi and pcm

schoo 12-04-2018 02:39 PM

My block came out good just cleaned and honed, crank getting turned

Scndsin 12-04-2018 05:54 PM

Conaski sez the alphabet cams do not play nice with speed density computers.

He might step in and recommend something that would work with your trans & gear ratio, or you could give a mfg's tech line a shot.

schoo 12-04-2018 08:28 PM

Ok still looking

schoo 12-06-2018 08:57 PM

Ok I ordered some GT40 Heads so on to the cam? Money is getting a little thinner and need a lot of parts

baddad457 12-07-2018 07:41 AM

Supposedly the B303 was designed for the SD EFI systems. But I've run them with a carb and they have a nasty lope at idle. Sounds good though }>

schoo 12-07-2018 08:00 AM

I really don’t want the lope rather get mpg, Dave how do you like the cam your using

fordman75 12-07-2018 09:05 AM

If you want a smoother idle, look for a cam with a wider LSA. I believe something in the 112-114 range would work for you.

Scndsin 12-07-2018 11:58 AM

It's not bad. Gives up a bit over stock from off idle to 1500 which is where it's advertised to come on.

It rumbles around my small town with ease & rarely sees 2k till I hit the highway

It idles before & after mass-air conversion at 750 & has a noticeable 3 second lope. You can literally count it off, but you have to pay attention to really notice.

It runs very hard up till fuel & tune cuts off before what I've learned here is about 5200 though I've never let it run long enough to get there.

It pegs the speedometer easily & WOT on ramps & passing are a blast.

I would suspect with your lighter truck & less hp eating transmission you might could do with more. Or less, but I don't know.

Conaski says my 512 is only slightly more aggressive than my stock 5.8 cam. (which I could give you maybe. New set of lifters & you'd be golden)

But in my warped filing system, I can't locate the actual numbers right now.

schoo 12-07-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Scndsin (Post 18347949)
It's not bad. Gives up a bit over stock from off idle to 1500 which is where it's advertised to come on.

It rumbles around my small town with ease & rarely sees 2k till I hit the highway

It idles before & after mass-air conversion at 750 & has a noticeable 3 second lope. You can literally count it off, but you have to pay attention to really notice.

It runs very hard up till fuel & tune cuts off before what I've learned here is about 5200 though I've never let it run long enough to get there.

It pegs the speedometer easily & WOT on ramps & passing are a blast.

I would suspect with your lighter truck & less hp eating transmission you might could do with more. Or less, but I don't know.

Conaski says my 512 is only slightly more aggressive than my stock 5.8 cam. (which I could give you maybe. New set of lifters & you'd be golden)

But in my warped filing system, I can't locate the actual numbers right now.

Dave I thank very much hoping for other in put guys

schoo 12-12-2018 05:26 PM

Main bearing
 
Was this caused by the TC
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...84ab85f616.jpg
this end looks front


schoo 12-12-2018 05:28 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...8e952874ac.jpg
tranny side

Scndsin 12-12-2018 05:54 PM

First pic crank snout side & second trans side or vice/versa?

Hard to say either way. Doesn't look too excessive.

I'd ask your machine shop & maybe see if a trans shop would look at the torque converter for swelling/distortion.

schoo 12-12-2018 07:04 PM

Yes going to see the transmission builder. That’s 200k on it always hauling a E250 with construction tools so been used

baddad457 12-12-2018 07:44 PM

Probably normal for 200K, compare the wear to the other mains. If they're not in the copper, then you've got excess pressure in the converter. I went through one roller 5.0 that ate all the way through the thrust and had started rubbing the saddles with the counterweights.

Scndsin 12-13-2018 01:00 AM

OK I didn't see the notations. Looks like the chamfer on the trans side has some excessive thrust wear, but not totally eaten up.

200k seems good.

schoo 12-15-2018 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Scndsin (Post 18358392)
OK I didn't see the notations. Looks like the chamfer on the trans side has some excessive thrust wear, but not totally eaten up.

200k seems good.

I edited that post Dave.
I’m thinking that same cam you used also why the 1.7 rocker versus 1.6?

schoo 12-15-2018 11:20 AM


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...26e5f2c562.jpg
Got a hole in block don’t know what it’s for so didn’t paint it? It’s on the left side out side the oil pan

Scndsin 12-15-2018 12:07 PM

I think it's a dowel hole for when the block was machined at the factory.

schoo 12-15-2018 12:44 PM

Ok thanks on the hole info. so rockers 1.7 versus 1.6 what’s the difference

xlt4wd90 12-15-2018 02:29 PM

The 1.7:1 rocker ratio gives you about 6% more valve lift across the full range of valve lift. Depending on the rest of the intake, it can net some small power gains.

schoo 12-15-2018 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by xlt4wd90 (Post 18362805)
The 1.7:1 rocker ratio gives you about 6% more valve lift across the full range of valve lift. Depending on the rest of the intake, it can net some small power gains.

does the pcm/efi like them

xlt4wd90 12-15-2018 05:39 PM

For stock engines, the change is small enough that the stock computer should not have any problems. Its effects are greater if you have enhanced other parts of your intake.

I've been running a set in my 87 GT (SD computer) for a few years, and I've had no problems. The engine has a larger throttle body and 1.5" aftermarket headers, but is otherwise stock. I will say that I noticed a drop in power when I switched back to the stock throttle body. I don't drag in the streets, but there is an on-ramp I'm very familiar with, and it's definitely taking me longer to get up to speed with the smaller TB. So my feeling is the 1.7:1 rockers by themselves have very small effects on power.

baddad457 12-15-2018 09:17 PM

Ford found a 15 hp increase when they used the full roller 1.7's on the Cobra 5.0. Some came from the friction reduction in the switch to the roller trunnion, some from the increased valve lift (.030 at the valve) and the stiffer rockers (no deflection). They also lowered the oil temperatures. I've used a set now on 5 different engines (same set) that had over 100K miles on them. They seem to last forever.

schoo 12-16-2018 08:49 AM

This is good information guys it confirmed my ideas on this build I’ll post my material list when I get my heads it’ll probably be similar to Dave’s list. If I start going in the wrong direction please let me know

schoo 12-23-2018 01:28 PM

Ok I went to cam quest and checked out what they recommend I’m still scratching my head on this but they give a component list to help/spend at there site. They say EFI compatible I hope that is SD? Alright the numbers

1. 35-308-8

2. 35-320-8 not sure if SD works here or mas air

3. 35-512-8
So let’s have some input them they are all the same $$

schoo 12-26-2018 07:11 PM

HHope everyone had great Christmas, I made a material list so be nice

Heads. Gt40
comp cam. 35-512-8
comp cam. Timing 2120
trick Flow roller lifter. Tfs. 21400004
crane cam roller rocker 44746-16
trick flow springs. Tfs2500010
mahle. Rings. 4197cp
Hope this works

baddad457 12-26-2018 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by schoo (Post 18382376)
HHope everyone had great Christmas, I made a material list so be nice

Heads. Gt40
comp cam. 35-512-8
comp cam. Timing 2120
trick Flow roller lifter. Tfs. 21400004
crane cam roller rocker 44746-16
trick flow springs. Tfs2500010
mahle. Rings. 4197cp
Hope this works

I would use Comp's springs instead of Trick Flows. Also a plain jane Cloyes True Roller timing set for a late model roller 5.0 will save you money I'd bet. That's what I put in my 331 14 years ago ($25 at O'Reillys) still on the job too.

schoo 12-27-2018 07:52 AM


Originally Posted by baddad457 (Post 18382550)
I would use Comp's springs instead of Trick Flows. Also a plain jane Cloyes True Roller timing set for a late model roller 5.0 will save you money I'd bet. That's what I put in my 331 14 years ago ($25 at O'Reillys) still on the job too.

thanks for feed back, timing set $39 it’s not that bad. Tell why comp cam springs over trick flow the price was quite a lot different like $60

baddad457 12-27-2018 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by schoo (Post 18383037)

thanks for feed back, timing set $39 it’s not that bad. Tell why comp cam springs over trick flow the price was quite a lot different like $60

That's not a bad price then. I recommended the springs because the rates may be different. Just make sure they're close in specs if you're going to go with them.

schoo 12-27-2018 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by baddad457 (Post 18383079)
That's not a bad price then. I recommended the springs because the rates may be different. Just make sure they're close in specs if you're going to go with them.

thanks bad looking into it

schoo 12-27-2018 10:32 AM

If I replace the rod bolts do I need to hone the journal

fordman75 12-27-2018 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by schoo (Post 18383341)
If I replace the rod bolts do I need to hone the journal

Have the rods resized on the big end when replacing bolts. On the crank journals, inspect for any nicks, other damage, hot spots, etc. If they look good just mic. them in a few spots to make sure they are round and within specs.

schoo 12-27-2018 01:26 PM

I miss stated but thank you

schoo 12-27-2018 01:32 PM


Originally Posted by schoo (Post 18328008)

The converter was tight against the flex plate you can see the bolts rubbing is that the normal
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...df8dc39cf.jpeg
It was a tight fit taking it out Tran dip stick was Just in the way

talked to the transmission guy today he saying that it’s the flex plate that 200k it’s all through flexing and I need a new one

schoo 12-28-2018 09:42 AM


Originally Posted by baddad457 (Post 18383079)
That's not a bad price then. I recommended the springs because the rates may be different. Just make sure they're close in specs if you're going to go with them.

ok checked with summit tech he said what comp cam did was move a new spring (beehive)into there recommended use they used to use a very similar spring to what I will use the trick flow

schoo 12-30-2018 08:57 AM

Some body on here said I will need a different distributor drive gear if I change cams(comp cam#35-512-8)is this true and if so have you got a part#


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