Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11310553)
one of four know of right Stu!
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Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11310822)
thanks again Stu. getting back on topic, i assume that MH took a rear axle, cut off the ends and welded in the spindles to creat a front drive. there in lies the problem with finding parts as the axles and spindle, drums, ect. are almost impossable to find as parts only. what did Napco use for a front drive axle? were they sourced from dana or built in house? anyone have a idea?
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Originally Posted by harleymsn
(Post 11309755)
Now, with all that said, Welcome to FTE, I think you will find that this is really a very friendly site with a LOT of folks willing to help and guide anyone as well as supporting each others habit/addiction. And my guess is that after you're here a while, you might end up keeping the Napco '56! BTW, in Vintage truck a year or so ago, there was an article about NAPCO and how it started. I think it stands for National Auto Parts Company. And then they expanded into 4 wheel drive conversions and then did it exclusively. |
Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11310822)
thanks again Stu. getting back on topic, i assume that MH took a rear axle, cut off the ends and welded in the spindles to creat a front drive. there in lies the problem with finding parts as the axles and spindle, drums, ect. are almost impossable to find as parts only. what did Napco use for a front drive axle? were they sourced from dana or built in house? anyone have a idea?
I know, or did know of a 48, at least that's what I was told, M-H in western SD. Many years ago the owner wanted a gold mine for it. It was original and running, though. |
Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11310428)
that reminds me, gotta check with the neighbor, he said he knows where there is a 48 half ton MH. :-jammin
Originally Posted by 1952henry
(Post 11311556)
I know, or did know of a 48, at least that's what I was told, M-H in western SD. Many years ago the owner wanted a gold mine for it. It was original and running, though.
Owen - have you had a chance to run down the third F-3 M-H that you've mentioned that's up around Williston? IIRC you said it's the one with a fx'd front axle, but even so it'd be a great donor. Stu |
NAPCO actually has an interesting history, and was apparently very profitable until the motor companies started doing factory 4x4's ('59 or '60 ?). At some point Dana bought out what was left of the company.
Here's a link to some history for those interested..... The Napco Owners Group |
Question.. isn't that a F250 bed? But the emblems say it's F100 (if original emblems)
Are those F250 fenders up front? Or is this one of those special order longbed F100s?... |
interesting napco reading. thanks for the link. why dont the MH guys have an owners group? maybe we kinda do right here on FTE. reading that napco history has brought up some more questions for me. if i read correctly the gmc/chevy got the model 23 pass. side front drive t-case, and the ford got the model 24 left side front drive t-case. harleyg, your t-case appears to be the model 23 right side front drive? if i recall you posted what that case was but it has since been deleted. are there any badges on the dash that say Napco or power-pak? not trying to po po anything, but what if someone took a power-pak out of a gmc and installed it on your ford. the link said it only took 3 hours and 4 new holes. just curios.
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It's always fun to learn about a new truck or conversion. Thanks for making me aware of it. Welcome to the playground!
Personally I have a chronic beef with IB's stupid forum rules, but that's just me. The classifieds and search on this forum have become so antiquated and difficult to use that I never go there. If anybody wants to respond to an offer of some part of truck available, PM's keep it private. Just my $.02 Tim |
The first year for the long bed F-100 was '56. In his book, Ford Trucks Since 1905, James K. Wagner says "Desiring to rush its 8 foot Express/Pickup quickly to market, Ford did not pause to develop an extended F-100 frame but utilized instead the F-250's". Stu
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Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11312393)
interesting napco reading. thanks for the link. why dont the MH guys have an owners group? maybe we kinda do right here on FTE. reading that napco history has brought up some more questions for me. if i read correctly the gmc/chevy got the model 23 pass. side front drive t-case, and the ford got the model 24 left side front drive t-case. harleyg, your t-case appears to be the model 23 right side front drive? if i recall you posted what that case was but it has since been deleted. are there any badges on the dash that say Napco or power-pak? not trying to po po anything, but what if someone took a power-pak out of a gmc and installed it on your ford. the link said it only took 3 hours and 4 new holes. just curios.
EDIT: As far as the owners group, NAPCO is a cool site (one of the first I joined), but primarily Chevy/GM. Not many interested in the Ford stuff there |
interesting about the model 23. glad to know napco's are head scratchers like the Marmons are. i also thought napco went back before 54 or 56, or whatever that history said. with them being cheaper and dealer installed, and easier to install, seems to me there would be more of them than the MH brand. not the napco fords, but napco in general. the guy i bought my F2 MH from had a 3/4 ton GMC napco sitting there with no motor. maybe a 59 apache or some such thing. no engine but a cool looking truck non the less. i was already in the shiv house with the MH so i didnt ask to much about it. anyway, welcome to FTE and good luck with the truck
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Originally Posted by thundersnow70
(Post 11312519)
interesting about the model 23. glad to know napco's are head scratchers like the Marmons are. i also thought napco went back before 54 or 56, or whatever that history said. with them being cheaper and dealer installed, and easier to install, seems to me there would be more of them than the MH brand. not the napco fords, but napco in general. the guy i bought my F2 MH from had a 3/4 ton GMC napco sitting there with no motor. maybe a 59 apache or some such thing. no engine but a cool looking truck non the less. i was already in the shiv house with the MH so i didnt ask to much about it. anyway, welcome to FTE and good luck with the truck
My understanding is that they started earlier also: seems like I read that as soon as the open drive shafts started appearing: '49 or '50 comes to mind ? Not sure though.... I'm still doing some research, especially on the front axle. Have read that it should have NAPCO stamped on it, but it doesn't that I can find. Keeps me busy reading anyway !! |
I thought I would answer a couple questions at once.
M-H always did their own steering ends in house. They bought pumpkins without tubes from Spicer, and installed their own, with their own ends. NAPCO first offered kits for Fords in 1956. The earliest ones used a Chevrolet front axle, with 6 lug wheels. And no, they didn't bother with any kind of adapter to change the pattern for the rear. Some time in 1956 they switched to the Spicer 44. I'm sure these were completely built by Spicer. And they all used the model 23 transfer case. Chuck |
thanks for clearing up the MH front axle question Chuck. So harleyg, do you have six lug on the front and five lug on the back? Chuck, gonna send you a pm.
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