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If you have an old stock balancer, you can check it to see where the markings SHOULD be.
I had bought a fancy looking chrome plated T-stat cover, which turned out to be made of pot metal, and after a few years, it literally rusted through from the bottom side. I think it was branded Mr. Gasket, made in China. I replaced it with an aluminum version, which I hope will work better with the aluminum intake. |
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Is this a 97 explorer intake and if so has any one got a pic of there vacuum lines and heater tree also ideas of where to mount coil |
It looks like it, but can you show pictures from other sides? A picture from the back showing the EGR plate, and another one of the driver's side of the lower manifold, head face.
I think 1997 is when they went to an external EGR passage, so the upper/lower interface is in two pieces; 4 runners each. Earlier versions had internal EGR passages, starting from the driver's side intake face, going to a hole in the top of the lower intake, in between the two groups of four runners, so that part is continuous. On my Mustang, there is a pair of steel pipes that run along the passenger edge of the lower intake, one of the pipes has a 90 degree bend that goes into that big hole that the ECT sensor is currently installed through the step-up adapter in your picture. The other pipe connects to one of the nipples on the water pump through a 90 degree hose. The other ends of the two pipes connect to the heater core through a couple short segments of hoses. I'm sure it's different for a truck, but the heater input still has to come from that area where the ECT sensor is currently installed. You could conceivably run something from the hole on the T-stat housing. The coil for most of these engines are usually mounted off the engine, and use a long high tension wire going to the distributor. There is usually no space on top of the engine, like on older models without the huge intake plenums. |
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Their is a gap between the upper runners 4 on each side
i don’t see any provision for the EGR, baffling on the under side is that for the PCV |
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I think so, I tried this setup a while back but ended up reverting back to the truck manifolds, but I did remove that black tube and installed the ECT in its place. I cant remember the configuration for the vacuum setup, but be advised that one of those lines is a ONE WAY, you'll need to figure out which, but if not it could create a problem in the vacuum system down the road. Small detail, but hey you never know.
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Wondering about using E5TZ-18599-c. A 300-6 cylinder ect/heater hose
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Originally Posted by Glaser67
(Post 18799537)
I think so, I tried this setup a while back but ended up reverting back to the truck manifolds, but I did remove that black tube and installed the ECT in its place. I cant remember the configuration for the vacuum setup, but be advised that one of those lines is a ONE WAY, you'll need to figure out which, but if not it could create a problem in the vacuum system down the road. Small detail, but hey you never know.
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Where did the manifold assembly come from?
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I think 97. Explorer guessing
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I got that. Where did a near perfect 97 Explorer intake assembly with TB & plumbing ready to bolt on come from?
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Plenty can be found on eBay. Here is a nice example:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/87-93-MUSTA...0AAOSw23dc0Iyv This looks like a 97+ intake, though the seller shows a 1996 card. Scroll through the pictures and look at the bottom of the upper plenum, and see the two separate groups of 4 runners. There are no internal EGR passages in the upper or lower pieces, so this setup requires an external EGR. Compare with this one: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-1993-F...4AAOSwXNddSyY9 Which has a one-piece lower mounting surface with all 8 runners, and a hole in the middle for the internal EGR passage. |
Originally Posted by Scndsin
(Post 18799982)
I got that. Where did a near perfect 97 Explorer intake assembly with TB & plumbing ready to bolt on come from?
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Originally Posted by schoo
(Post 18800029)
Chuck he used to do electric for factory five roadster it was a take off I think it was never used no sign of carbon...
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Yes I would it’s as close to nos as it gets the H.O. man was bolted on but no sign of fuel or oil just scratches at the bolt holes
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I need the get the vacuum lines plumbed can you help
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...1749cc1726.jpg Red is the fuel return, the white? |
Originally Posted by schoo
(Post 18837976)
I need the get the vacuum lines plumbed can you help
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...1749cc1726.jpg Red is the fuel return, the white? And is the black hose for the PCV? |
In theory, every one of those fittings go into the intake plenum, so they should all provide the same vacuum source. But Ford put fittings at different parts to tap into vacuum at different parts of the plenum to help keep the pressure uniform. So you can use that big black hose for the PCV, or connect a hose up to any of those big nipples. The ones I've worked with have fittings in those two plugged holes on the left Tee'd together to provide sufficient vacuum for the brake booster, as that probably moves the most amount of air in operation.
BTW, I don't think any of these lines should be carrying fuel. But you can connect a skinny line to one of those small nipples for the fuel pressure regulator. |
I've never done anything with one of those (manifolds). I thought a lot of that plumbing was EGR coolant pass-through lines.
The throttle cable is going to be fun. |
I’m not sure if I got it right but booster on the larger one
PCV on the big hose The red one on the fuel reg the white one EGR (aren’t most green hose) the last 2, one for fuel vapor the other for accessories like heater/wiper i hope this is correct what about you guys |
another pic of vacuum lines red for fuel return white egr? nhttps://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...9595366f02.jpg
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I think if you can route hoses the way you described, and plug up any remaining holes, you should be set.
On my 87, there is a big hose going from the plenum to a plastic vacuum manifold on the firewall that feed the brake booster, cruise control, and A/C doors. (I don't think your wipers are vacuum actuated.) I have the large pair that go to the PCV. Then there are a couple of small ones going to the the FPR and solenoids for the EGR and AIR, and maybe they're colored the way you describe (I don't remember). I think the EVAP purge goes directly to a medium sized port on the manifold, through its solenoid. Be aware that the stock lines are plastic, and they all get brittle and crack with age. The EGR coolant pass-through would normally be in the EGR plate behind the throttle body, not the manifold itself. This particular manifold does not have the internal EGR passage, so the engine would use some form of external EGR path, and may use a coolant pass-through for that. |
Originally Posted by xlt4wd90
(Post 18838791)
I think if you can route hoses the way you described, and plug up any remaining holes, you should be set.
On my 87, there is a big hose going from the plenum to a plastic vacuum manifold on the firewall that feed the brake booster, cruise control, and A/C doors. (I don't think your wipers are vacuum actuated.) I have the large pair that go to the PCV. Then there are a couple of small ones going to the the FPR and solenoids for the EGR and AIR, and maybe they're colored the way you describe (I don't remember). I think the EVAP purge goes directly to a medium sized port on the manifold, through its solenoid. Be aware that the stock lines are plastic, and they all get brittle and crack with age. The EGR coolant pass-through would normally be in the EGR plate behind the throttle body, not the manifold itself. This particular manifold does not have the internal EGR passage, so the engine would use some form of external EGR path, and may use a coolant pass-through for that. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...162b3d056b.jpg |
Originally Posted by Scndsin
(Post 18838518)
I've never done anything with one of those (manifolds). I thought a lot of that plumbing was EGR coolant pass-through lines.
The throttle cable is going to be fun. https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...961f4864da.jpg |
Originally Posted by xlt4wd90
(Post 18838466)
In theory, every one of those fittings go into the intake plenum, so they should all provide the same vacuum source. But Ford put fittings at different parts to tap into vacuum at different parts of the plenum to help keep the pressure uniform. So you can use that big black hose for the PCV, or connect a hose up to any of those big nipples. The ones I've worked with have fittings in those two plugged holes on the left Tee'd together to provide sufficient vacuum for the brake booster, as that probably moves the most amount of air in operation.
BTW, I don't think any of these lines should be carrying fuel. But you can connect a skinny line to one of those small nipples for the fuel pressure regulator. |
Originally Posted by baddad457
(Post 18839487)
Looks more like they did it to clean up the engine. On all the other truck 5.0's everything come off one tree fitting on top.
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Adapt and figure things is a on going learning process with these trucks. So studied the manifold it’s much closer to the heads than the other man, the valve covers just miss hitting the bottom and the oil filler and PCV need modification the PCV is in the back in the man so plug the hole
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...2ca8ed900.jpeg JB weld I usually use 3m panel glue |
Ok so that’s not all VC modification I have to reverse them rt on the L and Lon the rt because the plenum hits the oil filler tube
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...39933030f.jpeg Reversed the valve cover |
Modified a throttle cable mount for the TV cable and welded the T post to the TB lever
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...5452dab02.jpeg TV cable mount hope I can use the throttle cable I have in truck |
Ok more modification the coil can’t mount in the same place so mounted on the inner fender sorry no pic also doing a little elect delete for the start up very happy with the harnesses that I got from chuck the wire color’s are exactly stock matches print out
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Need to ad TV mounting |
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Originally Posted by schoo
(Post 18842673)
Ok more modification the coil can’t mount in the same place so mounted on the inner fender sorry no pic also doing a little elect delete for the start up very happy with the harnesses that I got from chuck the wire color’s are exactly stock matches print out
Your original harness if was a truck donor, was speed density & batch fired the injectors. (total 3 wires) If you're using any of the injector wiring from the explorer manifold, it's sequential. (uses 9) |
Originally Posted by Scndsin
(Post 18842809)
I don't know if this is an issue or what...
Your original harness if was a truck donor, was speed density & batch fired the injectors. (total 3 wires) If you're using any of the injector wiring from the explorer manifold, it's sequential. (uses 9) |
Exhaust plug
Can I use these in the exhaust manifold for the O2 sensors at hex plug
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I still need or would like to know if I can use those 2 openings in the exhaust manifold for O2
some pic https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.for...381bb03ee.jpeg |
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