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Good info, Chuck! Thanks.
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You bet that IH has lots of good parts on it that would fit my F-7! I bought a bunch of NOS and used Coleman parts from a guy I met through Ebay while I was searching for wheel bearings (new ones from Timken are available for around $3200.00 each!). He had a 1951 IH many years ago, and the parts were all the same. Coleman only made a few different hub assemblies, and a couple of transfer cases. The inner end of the tube has a flange welded to it, that bolts to a mating flange on the the center section. This way all they had to do is swap out center sections for the different makes of trucks. That, and the outer cover (which has the wheel studs in it) is specific to each truck.
It's interesting to note that like M-H, Coleman was definitely thinking "Ford" when they designed these parts. The transfer case mounts incorporate flathead motor mounts, and the differential inside the transfer case is 9N/2N/8N Ford tractor. I disabled that sucker, so the transfer case is now part time. The differential lock lever in the cab is now 2WD/4WD.
A smaller version of that cast Coleman script must have existed. I have a pair I took off of an IH like the one pictured, many years ago, and they are way to big to put on the front of a 1948-50 hood like you see in some of the Coleman Ford literature.
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Ford had Marmon-Herrington, Coleman, and later Napco converting their 2x4s into 4x4s. IHC had Coleman, but also built their own 4wds and 6wds in-house. IHC used Eaton axles in their K-series 1 ton pickups and trucks. These K-series were the basis for the M-series WW2 4x4s and 6x6s. Eaton cast a front housing that would incorporate the same 3rd member as the rear. With the addition of Rzeppa front joints, the steerable frontend was born. It is my understanding that IHC used the left-over frontends and transfer cases to convert KB-series 1.5 ton and larger trucks to 4wd and 6wd; this supposedly went up to the L-series of 1950-52(3?). I have personally seen a factory L160 6wd with the exact front end from the IHC M3-4 4wd/M5-6 6wd of WW2 vintage.

My purpose for providing this information is to let people know that if they were to see a late 40s IHC all wheel drive, it may not be a Coleman conversion.

Edit-IHC had Marmon-Herrington convert some light duty (read 1/2 ton) pre-war pickups to 4wd for the Coast Guard. I don't know if any were converted for the civilian market. This is from Fred Crismon.
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Updated running gear pictures

I thought I would try to post some running gear pictures for all to see. I installed a Clark 265VO 5 speed overdrive synchromesh main transmission, hard coupled to a Spicer 5831C 3 speed overdrive auxillary, followed by the original Coleman model 40 transfer case. This proved to be quite challenging considering the limited amount of space I had to work with! I hope to finally be able to test it out within the next couple of weeks.
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Updated running gear pictures

I thought I would try to post some running gear pictures for all to see. I installed a Clark 265VO 5 speed overdrive synchromesh main transmission, hard coupled to a Spicer 5831C 3 speed overdrive auxillary, followed by the original Coleman model 40 transfer case. This proved to be quite challenging considering the limited amount of space I had to work with! I hope to finally be able to test it out within the next couple of weeks.
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Edit: I guess the pictures didn't work!
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I don't see pics, just the blank square thingey? Interesting that you used a Clark 5sp. I just took one off of a 391FT today. It came from a '76 L series, IIRC. My supervisor had it, and said I could have it (engine and trans). I don't know how to ID it as to whether it's a direct drive 5th, or OD, without taking it apart. (tag is gone) Anyway, Id be curious to see pics.
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The transmission is from a 1953-60 or so Big Job. The newer ones are much larger, and overdrives are rare.
I have no clue how to make these pictures show up. I know I saw instructions somewhere!
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Thanks, Dick. I have to agree, shifting that would be busier than a one legged man in an a$$-kicking contest. Looks great, Chuck!

My Clark is fairly big, I believe it's a 280 series, and will open it up and see if I figure it out off the gear sets.
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Believe or not, I once road along with a one arm man who was driving a mult-shift set up like that. Very interesting. Hand on steering wheel, shift, hand on wheel and so on.
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Rather than open it up, put a set of vise grips or something to compare motion on the input and output shafts, put it in 5th and spin the input shaft. If they stay in sync you have a direct, if the item on the output shaft doesn't hold position and turns at a different rate (faster?) than the input shaft it is an o/d. The Clark behind my 391 is a direct 5spd ('77 F750), just looked the code up (N) = 285V.
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Bob, that's a great idea. I'll try it out.
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So I see the Clark shifter, the Spicer shifter, brake handle, power take off shifter, Coleman transfer case shifter, and what is the last shifter?
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The two bar stock levers are the original Coleman pieces. They were originally mounted closer together, on a sloppy plate, bolted to the floor. I mounted them on the 2"x1/2" bars that I used to link the two transmissions together. A much neater setup, and they are nice and rigid. Notice that the left lever is red (as is the linkage all the way to the transfer case). Coleman did this to identify it as the high/low range lever, that should never be shifted while the truck is moving. The other lever was to lock the differential that was in the transfer case. They actually had a complete Ford N series tractor differential in there, linking the front and rear output shafts together. The lever slid a splined gear into the front of it, to lock the shafts together, bypassing the differential. I wasn't having full time four wheel drive, as I plan to actually drive this truck, so I disabled that sucker. I welded the spider gears to the cross, and I machined the teeth off of one of the side gears. Now the lever gives me a choice between two wheel drive and four wheel drive.
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The F-7 went to it's first show last weekend! It drove well, but when you get it up to around 50, you really had to pay attention to keep it straight when you hit any kind of bump in the road. So, even though the Coleman manual says to leave the axle at 0 caster, I stuck 3 wedges under the springs, and bingo, problem solved. Now it will run down the highway at 60-65 all day, as smooth as a pickup. Here are some current pictures. Check out the original Ford tow hooks and turn signal lamps.
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Very Cool... Love to see the others in the garage too...
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