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Old 08-25-2010, 03:46 PM
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57-60 hydraulic clutch

Hi All,

Just as background, I'm relatively new here, but have had my truck for about 5 years and have pretty good mechanical abilities.

I've actually got a 64 F100, but I'm planning to install an m5r2 trans from a late model F150 into it, which uses a hydraulic clutch and internal slave cylinder. I know that 57-60 trucks used a hydraulic clutch. My 64 uses mechanical linkage, but has mounting holes for the hydraulic master cylinder used in 57-60. This master cylinder should be easy to install if it will work properly with the newer slave cylinder.

So, my question is, has anyone used their stock 57-60 master cylinder with an m5r2 trans? I'm just wondering if displaced volume of fluid is similar enough to work properly.

And, for good measure, here is a picture of the transplant patient.


Thanks,
Mike
 
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Old 08-26-2010, 05:40 AM
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I don't know what late model F150 means, but the master cylinder from that year will likely mount in the same place. I have a 1973 Ford master cylinder on my 1960. If you get the master and slave from the year of the transmission, I think you will be better off.

Good luck and hope this helps.
 
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Thanks for the reply. Sorry I was vague on the year of F150. I believe the m5r2 (5 speed overdrive) was used from 88-96 or so. The slave for these transmissions is inside the bellhousing and concentric with the input shaft.

I think your're right, it probably would be best to use the master cylinder from the same year as the trans. That way I know it will be matched up properly to the slave. I'll try to locate one and see how it fits in the firewall. I'll probably post something on how this all goes, but I suppose I should move to the 61-66 forum, as it will have nothing to do with 48-60 anymore.
 
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Good luck!
 
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I don't know what late model F150 means, but the master cylinder from that year will likely mount in the same place. I have a 1973 Ford master cylinder on my 1960. If you get the master and slave from the year of the transmission, I think you will be better off.
Late model F150 with a M5R2 (Mazda 5 speed) trans would be from a late 1980's/90's F150 which came equipped with a hydraulic clutch.

Whether this setup will work in a 1964 F100...or not is anyone's guess.

A member (I forget who) wants to install a hydraulic clutch from a 1961/72 F700 in his Slick. I listed all the part numbers, found most of the parts NOS, but how the heck he will make it work...I dunno.

btw: The transplant may be a 1964, but from the pic the OP posted, it has a 1965 grille and 1965/66 upper grille panel/parking lamps.
 
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Yeah, this truck is pretty much pieced together. The 65/66 front grill parts were in it when I bought it, along with a 289 (obviously not original) and a 3 speed (maybe original, I haven't checked the numbers) with aftermarket floor shifter. That's why I don't feel bad about trying to put the 5 speed in. It's not like I'm butchering an all-original survivor vehicle or anything.
 
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If you can find out the bore size of the 57-60 master cylinder and compare it to the bore size of the 88-96 master cylinder you should be able to determine if they "move" the same amount of fluid.
 
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I had a 57 that used the hydraulic clutch assembly you talk about. It basically looked just like the brake master cylinder, but they were 2 different part numbers. They both had a very wide 4 bolt pattern that fastened the clutch (and brake) master cylinder thru the firewall and to the petal assembly. I'm surprised that your 64 still has a bolt pattern that will fit this. I thought Ford went with the narrow 2 bolt pattern with the brake master cylinder and went back to a pivot arm clutch mechanism. Basically if you can mount it up, if the master cylinder will move enough fliud (it is certainly large enough) it should work.

There used to be some aftermarket kits that will do this as well. Here's what I found with a quick google:
Wilwood Disc Brakes 340-3342 - Wilwood Brake/Clutch Pedal Assemblies - Overview - SummitRacing.com
Street Rod Univirsal Brake Pedal Assembly with Hyd. Clutch
 
 
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