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They do not filter as well because most people do not properly maintain them. At their best, they do not do anything an OEM filter will not do. If you do not maintain them, they will degrade over time. If they ever get damaged, it's permanent. It will never be 100% again.
Look at commercial and industrial engines. They all use paper filters for a reason. They are idiot proof and cost less in the long run.
The only application where a washable filter is beneficial is racing / off-road use. But even in that application, there are other filters superior to the k&n. Overall, it is a very poor design.
Sorry if I have offended anyone who has drank the kool-aid.
Look at commercial and industrial engines. They all use paper filters for a reason. They are idiot proof and cost less in the long run.
The only application where a washable filter is beneficial is racing / off-road use. But even in that application, there are other filters superior to the k&n. Overall, it is a very poor design.
Sorry if I have offended anyone who has drank the kool-aid.
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None taken. You're right, I don't maintain my paper filter. Thats because there is no maintenance on a paper filter. You simply replace it. I can change my paper filter in 15 seconds in a parts store parking lot, without any special cleaners, oils or running water. Can you do that with your k&n? Fact is, its more of a hassle. That means MOST people will not maintain it as often as they should. If you enjoy wasting time cleaning your inferior filter, that's great. However, I'll stick with paper filters on my street vehicles. And, keep using foam filters off-road.
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I have nothing against them but I don't believe any of the hype either. I don't run them any more mainly because I don't drive that much so I can get a couple years out of a paper filter so its not worth the expense. As for the extra flow and all that jazz, I just really don't buy it. We had one of those nifty little displays at the auto parts store I worked at in high school, you the one with the fan and the ping pong ball you put the K&N filter in and it goes up to the top of the tube and with the fram it doesn't move as much air and the ball falls. Well after about a year it got pretty ratty looking and we hadn't had a customer in a couple hours so we go bored and I decided to go clean it. I used the K&N cleaning kit and reoiled it and low and behold the ping pong ball wouldn't go to the top of the tube any more and we had to get display. I think they ship the filters and do their tests with the filters pretty dry (and they don't catch dirt dry) and after the first cleaning and reoiling they flow about like paper. Just my $.02, not a scientific study by any means but just something I noticed that most people haven't had a chance too.
-John
-John
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What is an engine but a vacuum. Air in power out. Paper filter or not if you are going to buy a K&N chances are you might maintain it. Or not. Paper is the same, or not.
Both are as good as the owners, both are good if maintained or changed to each their own. But it's not a set and forget, it's change or maintain.
Dave
Both are as good as the owners, both are good if maintained or changed to each their own. But it's not a set and forget, it's change or maintain.
Dave
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John, you're exactly right about the bogus power claims. Anything upstream of the throttle plates will not make any difference in power. The same thing applies to "hot air intakes". They only make a few more HP at wide open throttle and 4000+ rpm. Otherwise, there is no difference. For daily driving, and even towing, you could actually put an air flow restrictor behind the air filter. You would never know its there. Downstream of the throttle plates, yes, it's all about air flow. But, upstream of the throttle plates.......not so much.
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I like them, regardless. I havn't noticed a difference on a V8, but I had a neon that you could feel the difference big time. Keep it clean and it'll keep you happy. They recomend you clean it every 50,000 miles. You have to change a paper filter every 15,000. Plus, if you have a service shop change it for you (there are those out there that do) the K&N pay's for itself the first time you would have had it changed.
One thing to consider: I've seen trucks get into the million mile range when using a K&N filter that was maintained properly. Have you seen it with a paper filter?
One thing to consider: I've seen trucks get into the million mile range when using a K&N filter that was maintained properly. Have you seen it with a paper filter?