390 Broken pushrod
#16
If you can find a bore scope to use you can check the cam lobes for pits through the lifter bores and when you check the lifters be sure they go back on the same lobe they came off of. While checking your lifters look for very small, even nearly microscopic evidence of pitting. If the is any sign of pitting replace the lifter as it will get worse and wipe a lobe. For checking the valves you can fill the ports with gas or kerosene and see if any leak by the valve and seats. If there are leaks you will need a valve job at least. If any valves are bent, even a little, replace them. It will be cheaper than new heads.
Those big blocks sure sound good up around 8,000 rpm don't they.
Those big blocks sure sound good up around 8,000 rpm don't they.
#17
[quote=CowPie;8667468]What kind of street motor build is this, can it be driven in traffic with a stick box plus also turn to 8,000 rpm's and stay together I must ask? Talk about being slightly out of the torque range by a couple rpms you think? What is the dollars spent doing this motor build, backed up by a Indy engine developement program with buckets of gold? The only motors I have heard about operating at those high rpm's was in the old NASCAR motors. This some 332 crank in a 390 block motor with all high dollar aftermarket rods, crank, pistons, cam, valves and springs?
Not every one uses their truck as a work horse and keeps the rpm within the torque range.
By looking at his rocker assembly and the aluminum heads you can see that this engine was built for fun. He was most likely lighting the tires up just showing off and having a good time.
7,000rpm engines are not all that rare anymore. My Lincoln Mark VIII which is bone stock with 199,000+ miles on it will run up to 6,500 rpm and bounce off the built in rpm limiter whenever I ask it too. The little 283 SBC would run to 8,500 rpm easily in the stock 270 hp and 283 hp versions until flywheel and clutch explosions made the guys more careful, and that was in 1957.
The high rpm Fords you mentioned were 396 cid engines that were built using the steel crank from a 361 FT engine in a 427 block and when I worked ar H-M they would run to over 10,500 rpm but were limited to 8,500 rpm in race trim, mainly because the oil pumps and valve springs couldn't keep up under the strain of 200 to 500 miles of racing at those rpms. Those engines were used in the Fairlanes and Comets in 1966 and later. And of course they had special rods and cams as well as being balanced as fine as possible. A few knowledgable drag racers built the 396 engines back then and raced them as 390s, they really kicked *** too.
Not every one uses their truck as a work horse and keeps the rpm within the torque range.
By looking at his rocker assembly and the aluminum heads you can see that this engine was built for fun. He was most likely lighting the tires up just showing off and having a good time.
7,000rpm engines are not all that rare anymore. My Lincoln Mark VIII which is bone stock with 199,000+ miles on it will run up to 6,500 rpm and bounce off the built in rpm limiter whenever I ask it too. The little 283 SBC would run to 8,500 rpm easily in the stock 270 hp and 283 hp versions until flywheel and clutch explosions made the guys more careful, and that was in 1957.
The high rpm Fords you mentioned were 396 cid engines that were built using the steel crank from a 361 FT engine in a 427 block and when I worked ar H-M they would run to over 10,500 rpm but were limited to 8,500 rpm in race trim, mainly because the oil pumps and valve springs couldn't keep up under the strain of 200 to 500 miles of racing at those rpms. Those engines were used in the Fairlanes and Comets in 1966 and later. And of course they had special rods and cams as well as being balanced as fine as possible. A few knowledgable drag racers built the 396 engines back then and raced them as 390s, they really kicked *** too.
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#20
I agree on the coolant leak between your head and block. But I'm sure that is not what caused your push rod problem. And your push rods may be to long as well. Which could have contributed to your problem.
If you look at the radius on the under side of the rocker arm and compare it to how close that part of the rocker gets to the push rod at full valve lift, I will bet your push rods were actually binding against the underside of the rocker arms at full lift. That would cause you to bend a push rod alright. And if you were wound up tight something had to give. Fortunately it was the push rods. So, go with slightly shorter push rods, screw in your adjusters, and that should help with clearance. Some brands of roller rockers have extra clearance at this location to help prevent binding.
And verify adequate clearance before you button it up. You can mock-up your valve train with your intake off and turn the engine over by hand to verify everything is clearing. And watch your red line!!!!! Bruce
If you look at the radius on the under side of the rocker arm and compare it to how close that part of the rocker gets to the push rod at full valve lift, I will bet your push rods were actually binding against the underside of the rocker arms at full lift. That would cause you to bend a push rod alright. And if you were wound up tight something had to give. Fortunately it was the push rods. So, go with slightly shorter push rods, screw in your adjusters, and that should help with clearance. Some brands of roller rockers have extra clearance at this location to help prevent binding.
And verify adequate clearance before you button it up. You can mock-up your valve train with your intake off and turn the engine over by hand to verify everything is clearing. And watch your red line!!!!! Bruce
#21
8000???? Nope, not me, fellas!! Obviously did get it up too high - easy to get carried away with something that will light the tires up so easily. Oh well, if three pushrods are all that I hurt, then I'd say I got really lucky. In any case, I got the new pushrods and gaskets just a few days ago and I'm about to start re-assembly. Probably will be asking for help with adjusting the rocker arms, as I have no experience with this. The heads cleaned up really well, so I plan to bolt them back on and hope for the best. I also took the Edel intake down to the local Napa and had it bead blasted... What a difference. I'll post that separately. Thanks for everything, as always.
#22
Finally got her back together and running again. No sweeter sound than a hot FE through an x-pipe with side exits! In any case, I learned a lot... particularly about adjustable valves and how to adjust them, and as always, lots of good advice from this forum.
I have a week left before going into the hospital for a bone marrow transplant, and finishing this rebuild was on the top of my list of things to do before going in. Thanks to everyone.
#23
Finally got her back together and running again. No sweeter sound than a hot FE through an x-pipe with side exits! In any case, I learned a lot... particularly about adjustable valves and how to adjust them, and as always, lots of good advice from this forum.
I have a week left before going into the hospital for a bone marrow transplant, and finishing this rebuild was on the top of my list of things to do before going in. Thanks to everyone.
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