Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator 1991-1994, 1995-2001, 2002-2005, 2006-2010 Ford Explorer

could it be...?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
  #1  
Old 01-24-2010, 12:58 AM
WillFargo's Avatar
WillFargo
WillFargo is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Broomfield, Colorado!
Posts: 190
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
could it be...?

Well heres the dilemma i'm facing. About a year or 2 ago, i installed an "open air intake" on my 96 4.0 XLT. I never really payed attention to it, but for the past year or so my car has been running... like crap. it stumbles, the idles rough, its always misfiring. I currently have Lean Bank 1 and Lean Bank 2 codes as well as insufficient egr flow. I was reading that the size of the intake might cause problems due to the MAF. i have cleaned or replaced every sensor i could and the EGR valve is about 2 years old.
The other day i had an Electric Exhaust Cutout installed right before my cats. I was recommended to extend my rear O2 sensor to fix the lean bank problem. Im debating tossing the stock intake setup back on to see if anything happens.

What are ya'lls opinions on this? i'm left completely lost!
Thanks!
 
  #2  
Old 01-24-2010, 08:27 AM
shorod's Avatar
shorod
shorod is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 4,612
Received 42 Likes on 40 Posts
By open air intake are you referring to a cold air intake with a reusable air filter, or no air filter at all? Hopefully you're running a filter.

If you have a reusable filter that uses oil to trap dust, there is a chance the oil has coated the MAF sensor elements causing or contributing to the driveability concerns. You can remove the MAF sensor and clean it using CRC MAF Sensor cleaner and see if that helps. You'll also want to make sure the remainder of the tubing after the MAF is in good shape and securely connected.

-Rod
 
  #3  
Old 01-24-2010, 01:11 PM
WillFargo's Avatar
WillFargo
WillFargo is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Broomfield, Colorado!
Posts: 190
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
I would hardly consider it a CAI... In my opinion a true cold air intake would definitely be pulling air from deep under the engine. This one is hardly 20 inches long and has the filter (yes there is a filter, no i dont oil it anymore) in the same spot as the stock would have it. I cleaned the MAF, i cleaned the intake air temp sensor, all ports are sealed.
 
  #4  
Old 01-24-2010, 06:46 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod
shorod is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 4,612
Received 42 Likes on 40 Posts
When you replaced every sensor you could, did that include the DPFE sensor? These are known issues on the Explorer, Ranger, Taurus, and I'm sure a few other FoMoCo products. The DPFE is related to control of the EGR and could contribute to P0171 and P0174 codes.

-Rod
 
  #5  
Old 01-25-2010, 02:18 AM
WillFargo's Avatar
WillFargo
WillFargo is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Broomfield, Colorado!
Posts: 190
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Yes the DPFE was replaced. Today i borrowed a vacuum test kit, unplugged the idle air control valve, started the car, unlplugged the egr vacuum tube from the valve, and then applied vacuum pressure to the valve. as soon as suction was created, the idle would drop. My Chilton manual says this means the EGR valve is working correctly. The other thing i need to check in the next few days would be the EVR i guess.
 
  #6  
Old 01-25-2010, 06:50 AM
shorod's Avatar
shorod
shorod is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 4,612
Received 42 Likes on 40 Posts
That's correct, that indicates that the EGR valve is working. It doesn't necessarily demonstrate that the ports are clear though to allow sufficient flow, or that the DPFE is working properly. Some folks have reported that they've had problems with certain aftermarket DPFE sensors, I don't recall if it was the plastic or metal ones they said to avoid.

-Rod
 
  #7  
Old 01-25-2010, 11:05 AM
WillFargo's Avatar
WillFargo
WillFargo is offline
Senior User
Thread Starter
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Broomfield, Colorado!
Posts: 190
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
the DPFE i bought was plastic, so was the OEM. What do you think about the EVR?
 
  #8  
Old 01-25-2010, 12:23 PM
shorod's Avatar
shorod
shorod is offline
Logistics Pro
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Cedar Rapids, IA
Posts: 4,612
Received 42 Likes on 40 Posts
Never experienced one of them failing. The one time I replaced one it didn't fix the stumble that I was troubleshooting (on my first car, before Ford had datastream mode access).

-Rod
 
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
broker bob
1997 - 2003 F150
8
07-04-2017 12:40 AM
jsavage
Explorer, Sport Trac, Mountaineer & Aviator
17
06-17-2010 03:35 PM
roddz170
Lightning, Harley-Davidson F-150, Roush F-150 & Saleen F-150
18
04-10-2005 06:47 PM
yardbird
3.0L V6
4
03-01-2004 10:40 PM



Quick Reply: could it be...?



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:50 AM.