Biodiesel & the 6.0
#16
It would depend on what type of bio your running. If your running pure veggie oil I think that you have to have a conversion. For 5-20% you shouldn't have to worry about a conversion. Even Ford will still warranty the truck if 5% is used(although the ASTM standards have approved of B20 as a true fuel comparable to D2).
Now some guys have done a conversion to their trucks to run waste vegetable oil (WVO) or straight vegetable oil (SVO). In a nut shell, you put clean & de-watered used cooking oil into an auxiliary tank in the bed (under the rig if it's an Excursion). The tank is heated by engine coolant...it has to be; no PSD can run SVO/SVO if the oil isn't heated (around 180F) and the engine up to operating temperature. Remember, Rudolf Diesel ran his first engine on peanut oil...not recycled dinosaurs. There are two places for more information about SVO/WVO (A) the alternative fuel's sub group here at FTE https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/forum168/ and (B) Vegistroke/DFA [which is the sponsor on the alternative fuels group] http://www.dinofuelalternatives.com/index.php
I wouldn't worry about running B100 in a 6.0L; provided it's good, water free fuel...just like the dino-diesel. Yes, a Ford dealership may say something if your running more than B5 in a 6.0L, but how can they prove it was the fuel that caused the EGR valve to fail,or the EGR cooler to plug & fail or the headbolts to stretch causing the gaskets to leak? With that said, how many guys on this forum are running aftermarket tunes, or larger exhaust system? Those could and in some cases have cause warranty issues, I think it depends on the dealership more or less. It's been reported many times that B5 and up is better for our fuel systems than the current ULSD that we get out of the pumps. Yeah, their supposed to add supplements back into the fuel to moisten it up...but that adds allot of extra expense to the fuel. Why not just run blend fuel and be done with adding all the extra crap into the fuel. Hope this helps answer some of your questions IABill.
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I would actually be more concerned with injector related issues then I would be with EGR and/or gaskets. Also, like I said in numerous other posts, arbitration is what most people have to go thru first on warranty issues. They don't have to prove beyond a doubt that something like that caused the issue, it is just "more likely then not", which is a far less standard then without a doubt.
Now the car dealerships should updated their warranty to include B20 due to the standards mentioned above, but I don't blame them for not wanting to do B100.
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I checked the link to available Bio and apparently I dont have to worry about it. The nearest place is about 150 miles away, and that kinda defeats the purpose of running Bio. One day, my crack backwards town will wisen up. We have a huge Diesel truck market here, but for some reason no bio. I did find a place that sells ag diesel, but Im not running that to save a few bucks at the pump (hefty fine here).
#20
i will run the bio stuff if it is same price or cheaper but if dino stuff is cheaper it gets run. what i have heard though is that bio diesel has a higher acid content so that is something to keep in mind. i have run b100 before with less milage per gallon but quieter running. the 2 stroke oil i use in my fuel is pretty comparable noise wise and i get better mpg then b100
#21
It's been reported many times that B5 and up is better for our fuel systems than the current ULSD that we get out of the pumps. Yeah, their supposed to add supplements back into the fuel to moisten it up...but that adds allot of extra expense to the fuel. Why not just run blend fuel and be done with adding all the extra crap into the fuel. Hope this helps answer some of your questions IABill.
#22
Mark's got it. It's the law of diminishing returns. Once you get to a certain point, you no longer gain any advantage. This is the same idea for fuel additives. You can dump a whole gallon of Stanadyne or whatever in the tank, but it doesn't mean that you will get a Cetane value of over 100 (not that that would be good for the engine anyhow). I buy B5 and B20 because I have no other choice; it's all that they have at the pump.
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