My GT500 truck build thread...picture intensive!!!!
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well Carrol Shelby and others do prefer manual transmissions over automatics,
but as a defender of the automatic transmission i will note a little fact that isn't well known, Carrol Shelby used to own the famous 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake which had a amazing 427 V8 with two Paxton superchargers which gave it around 800HP, and it was originally destined to have a manual transmission, but as it proved out, Carrol Shelby had to put in a 3-speed C6 automatic, as the manual transmissions would not handle the power from the twin super charged 427, even the clutches would explode as the power was to great for the clutch to handle, also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him! the next person to own the car after Bill Cosby actually got killed when he drove the car off a cliff at high speed, also starting in 1966 GT350s and eventually GT500s starting in '67 had a automatic transmission as a option, i guess the '66 Cobra 427 Super Snake started this trend,
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward, so has manual and automatic technology, in fact some automakers are combining aspects from the manual transmission to automatics, which are in fact called Manumatics, which will be the future of all transmissions some day,
HowStuffWorks "What's the most expensive American car ever sold?"
-Brent
but as a defender of the automatic transmission i will note a little fact that isn't well known, Carrol Shelby used to own the famous 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake which had a amazing 427 V8 with two Paxton superchargers which gave it around 800HP, and it was originally destined to have a manual transmission, but as it proved out, Carrol Shelby had to put in a 3-speed C6 automatic, as the manual transmissions would not handle the power from the twin super charged 427, even the clutches would explode as the power was to great for the clutch to handle, also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him! the next person to own the car after Bill Cosby actually got killed when he drove the car off a cliff at high speed, also starting in 1966 GT350s and eventually GT500s starting in '67 had a automatic transmission as a option, i guess the '66 Cobra 427 Super Snake started this trend,
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward, so has manual and automatic technology, in fact some automakers are combining aspects from the manual transmission to automatics, which are in fact called Manumatics, which will be the future of all transmissions some day,
HowStuffWorks "What's the most expensive American car ever sold?"
-Brent
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[quote=1977f150xlt;8911701]well Carrol Shelby and others do prefer manual transmissions over automatics,
but as a defender of the automatic transmission i will note a little fact that isn't well known, Carrol Shelby used to own the famous 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake which had a amazing 427 V8 with two Paxton superchargers which gave it around 800HP, and it was originally destined to have a manual transmission, but as it proved out, Carrol Shelby had to put in a 3-speed C6 automatic, as the manual transmissions would not handle the power from the twin super charged 427, even the clutches would explode as the power was to great for the clutch to handle, also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him! the next person to own the car after Bill Cosby actually got killed when he drove the car off a cliff at high speed, also starting in 1966 GT350s and eventually GT500s starting in '67 had a automatic transmission as a option, i guess the '66 Cobra 427 Super Snake started this trend,
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward, so has manual and automatic technology, in fact some automakers are combining aspects from the manual transmission to automatics, which are in fact called Manumatics, which will be the future of all transmissions some day.
i agree i like my auto trucks.. plus you cant shift as fast as an auto can, thats why most racers like them.
but as a defender of the automatic transmission i will note a little fact that isn't well known, Carrol Shelby used to own the famous 1966 Shelby Cobra 427 Super Snake which had a amazing 427 V8 with two Paxton superchargers which gave it around 800HP, and it was originally destined to have a manual transmission, but as it proved out, Carrol Shelby had to put in a 3-speed C6 automatic, as the manual transmissions would not handle the power from the twin super charged 427, even the clutches would explode as the power was to great for the clutch to handle, also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him! the next person to own the car after Bill Cosby actually got killed when he drove the car off a cliff at high speed, also starting in 1966 GT350s and eventually GT500s starting in '67 had a automatic transmission as a option, i guess the '66 Cobra 427 Super Snake started this trend,
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward, so has manual and automatic technology, in fact some automakers are combining aspects from the manual transmission to automatics, which are in fact called Manumatics, which will be the future of all transmissions some day.
i agree i like my auto trucks.. plus you cant shift as fast as an auto can, thats why most racers like them.
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#83
Fear not though, loyal subscribers...I will be doing updates frequently during my vacation time this summer.
79 f-150 guy, I have technically been in the process of converting to a manual since November...and now that all the pieces are ready and waiting, I'll probably be doing the actual swap starting mid next month. It's currently a C6, and I'm replacing that with a 33K original mile HD 3 speed from a '69 F100 with a 360.
I think there may be other issues that I will have to deal with when I take out the automatic...such as replacing the oil pan gasket and potentially the rear main seal...don't wanna tackle that if I'm not going to have time to finish it all at once.
Brent, I will be doing Shelby stripes...the final color will be Wimbledon white metallic with cast iron metallic gray stripes. Haven't decided how many or what scheme yet, but I am leaning toward two big fat stripes with two thin ones outboard and about 1/2 inch spacing between. The lower door and fender treatment will basically be unchanged from the original Shelby design.
Krewat, I am considering (in the fairly distant future) a 428 SCJ if I can find a good cheap 428 block to start with.
ArcadeTom, that's a cool idea for the hood scoop...I get exactly what you're saying. When I pictured it in my head I saw an end result not unlike the '71 Mustang Boss 351 scoops. It doesn't seem like it would be hard to do if you had the tools to do it. I may consider something like that if this design doesn't pan out...but I think it will...this scoop is being 100% custom made for this truck.
HIO Silver, I have three bolt-on hitches in the shed, and I have considered using something similar to the front bumper on the rear. In fact, I'm still considering it. I don't know if any of the hitches will work, but I have them.
And that's another thing that needs to be done before I get back on the truck...cleaning up the shed. I've got a ton of stuff that needs to be organized and sorted through. If the weather holds up I will be doing that tomorrow and getting some things ready to sell over the summer. No truck stuff...sorry, guys. I'm keeping all of that.
Oh, and I don't want to give you all the impression that this thing will be done anytime soon. I am making good progress, but there are lots of things that you don't see (and some that you do) which still need to be done before stuff like paint ever makes it on to the calendar. I'm doing what I can with what I have or what I can scrounge, so it may take me awhile to go from concept to reality depending on what pieces I can find to do it.
Be patient with me and I will do my best to keep you informed any time I have something worthwhile to show/ share.
#84
AH, THE 3-SPEED.. I NEVER HAD SOMETHING SO MISERABLE. THE GEAR SPACING IS SO FAR APART YOU JUST CANT MAKE IT WORK GOOD, THATS WHY I HAD SWAPPED MINE TO A T5 MUSTANG 5-SPEED. THAT WORKED GREAT AND DESPITE BEING A CAR TRANNY IT WAS VERY TOUGH.... BUT AS FAR AS THE 3-SPEEDS GO, I HOPE I NEVER OWN ANOTHER ONE, OH GOD IT SUCKED..
#86
Already got a brand new Indy shifter and a custom made stick...calibrated and ready to bolt on.
Torque and rear end gearing are the key with a three speed. I have 3.00:1 gearing in the rear, but my 360 has a ton of torque.
My buddy in high school had a '77 with a 302 and three with a Hurst Indy in the floor, and it was as smooth as butter. His 302 was a bit asthmatic going up Black Mountain, granted, but other than revving it in second up there, he never had any trouble. I think his was a 3.50 rear gear.
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Thanks 79F350ts. I did alot of azz scratching on how to paint it up.
As a budget build ($4,500 limit) the cost for a new repro shell was way too high to justify in the budget. I hunted the yards but didn't find a decent shell so I reused mine after alot of hammering to make it decent. Second, blacking out the entire grill inserts would have made the front end a big black hole and nearly unrecognizable as a 73/74. Third, the F-O-R-D letters stood out too much with the camo paint scheme so I painted the recesses gloss black. Some fine line tape, a razor blade, a can of dark charcoal spray paint with very fine metallic flakes in it), and two hours of patience got'er done.
I think the paint treatment preserved enough detail to communicate that yes, it's a big ol' Ford that you are looking at.
As a budget build ($4,500 limit) the cost for a new repro shell was way too high to justify in the budget. I hunted the yards but didn't find a decent shell so I reused mine after alot of hammering to make it decent. Second, blacking out the entire grill inserts would have made the front end a big black hole and nearly unrecognizable as a 73/74. Third, the F-O-R-D letters stood out too much with the camo paint scheme so I painted the recesses gloss black. Some fine line tape, a razor blade, a can of dark charcoal spray paint with very fine metallic flakes in it), and two hours of patience got'er done.
I think the paint treatment preserved enough detail to communicate that yes, it's a big ol' Ford that you are looking at.
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well Carrol Shelby and others do prefer manual transmissions over automatics....
also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him!...
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward,
also a second one was built and sold to Bill Cosby, but ironically he returned it to Shelby, stating it was too fast for him!...
so lets not forget at one time only a automatic transmission could handle 800HP monster engines! but as technology has moved forward,
As also the case with Bill Cosby a lame-wad wannabe who also couldn't use the manual and stiff clutch.
You had Nascar with 600+ horsepower and not to mention NITRO burning rails and Gassers with over 1000+ horsepower using Ford toploaders.
And do you know what some Altered Funny Cars did? Used a C6 transmission with a MANUAL clutch. Quite an interesting piece. Referred to as a Poor Man's Lenco. Good for over 1200+ horspower.
Josh