jacked up trucks, who's is biggest?
#16
07-12-2009, 10:49 PM
What do you think about the newer 92-96 mirrors on the orange dentside? I have the small chrome mirrors on my 79 and hate them. I really don't want to drill more holes to put the western style. So was thinking about the newer ones which are bigger,but install in same place. Nice trucks by the way. Thanks
Thank you for the compliments (everyone, thank you)
As far as the mirrors,,,,,,well,,,,,,,I am not that fond of them. They tend to vibrate a little more than I would like. They do shake around, and I am sure that something different can be done. I have made plates to re enforce the door but it was minimal help. I am not too sure that I would sugest this route, but perhaps someone can build a better mouse trap. I like the look so they stay (for now)
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07-12-2009, 10:51 PM
Drive that on the street? You are my new hero!
What about the width? That has to take up more than one lane. Either way driving that on the street would be cool!
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07-12-2009, 10:52 PM
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07-13-2009, 12:45 AM
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There is a fender/mudflap law on the books that they can get you with (If the vehicle is in excess of 8,000 pounds gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 10 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty - I know your truck exceeds 8000 lbs and your mudflaps don't reach to 10") plus the height of your headlights is illegal (A headlamp upon a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, quadricycle, and motor-driven cycle, must be located at a height, measured from the center of the headlamp, of not more than 54 inches or less than 22 inches). Furthermore, your tailights don't meet code either (A taillamp upon a vehicle must be located at a height of not more than 72 inches or less than 15 inches). On top of all that, your width is also illegal (a vehicle, including a bus, unloaded or with load, may not have a total outside width in excess of 102 inches) or is close enough that they'd still pull you over.
If you can get away with it there, then more power to you, but realize that your truck is not street legal. Personally, I call b.s. to the driving it on the street claim (unless of course you're either related to the sheriff or you're talking about driving it on the street in parades).
I'm not pointing this out because I'm law enforcement or just because I like being an A$$, but I hate it when fellow Montanans give the impression that you can get away with anything here. I'd rather that everyone thinks that you can't do anything here and that life generally sucks here - that way they'll stop moving here and screwing it up for the rest of us.
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07-13-2009, 02:34 AM
That might work up there in Evergreen, but I can guarantee you that you'd be pulled over in less than 5 minutes here in Bozeman (or probably any other town in MT). I get pulled over about once every 6 months here (usually so that they can harass me about my barely legal mudflaps) and I'm a lot more legal (only running 37's) than you are.
There is a fender/mudflap law on the books that they can get you with (If the vehicle is in excess of 8,000 pounds gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 10 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty - I know your truck exceeds 8000 lbs and your mudflaps don't reach to 10") plus the height of your headlights is illegal (A headlamp upon a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, quadricycle, and motor-driven cycle, must be located at a height, measured from the center of the headlamp, of not more than 54 inches or less than 22 inches). Furthermore, your tailights don't meet code either (A taillamp upon a vehicle must be located at a height of not more than 72 inches or less than 15 inches). On top of all that, your width is also illegal (a vehicle, including a bus, unloaded or with load, may not have a total outside width in excess of 102 inches) or is close enough that they'd still pull you over.
If you can get away with it there, then more power to you, but realize that your truck is not street legal. Personally, I call b.s. to the driving it on the street claim (unless of course you're either related to the sheriff or you're talking about driving it on the street in parades).
I'm not pointing this out because I'm law enforcement or just because I like being an A$$, but I hate it when fellow Montanans give the impression that you can get away with anything here. I'd rather that everyone thinks that you can't do anything here and that life generally sucks here - that way they'll stop moving here and screwing it up for the rest of us.
There is a fender/mudflap law on the books that they can get you with (If the vehicle is in excess of 8,000 pounds gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 10 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty - I know your truck exceeds 8000 lbs and your mudflaps don't reach to 10") plus the height of your headlights is illegal (A headlamp upon a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, quadricycle, and motor-driven cycle, must be located at a height, measured from the center of the headlamp, of not more than 54 inches or less than 22 inches). Furthermore, your tailights don't meet code either (A taillamp upon a vehicle must be located at a height of not more than 72 inches or less than 15 inches). On top of all that, your width is also illegal (a vehicle, including a bus, unloaded or with load, may not have a total outside width in excess of 102 inches) or is close enough that they'd still pull you over.
If you can get away with it there, then more power to you, but realize that your truck is not street legal. Personally, I call b.s. to the driving it on the street claim (unless of course you're either related to the sheriff or you're talking about driving it on the street in parades).
I'm not pointing this out because I'm law enforcement or just because I like being an A$$, but I hate it when fellow Montanans give the impression that you can get away with anything here. I'd rather that everyone thinks that you can't do anything here and that life generally sucks here - that way they'll stop moving here and screwing it up for the rest of us.
and both my axles are steerable. Oh, and I have a permit for the width, and I have lowered tail lights on the mudflap bar.
Here is a picture of my mudflaps...
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07-13-2009, 04:22 AM
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Not to get into a big debate over this, but you are incorrect and illegal no matter how you look at it. I'm glad to know that you get to enjoy your truck, but understand that no matter which way you look at it, you ought to get a ticket (or a bunch of them) every time you take it out on a public road. Luckily for you no cop has ever decided it was worth his time to write you all the tickets if he were to pull you over.
The mudflaps do have to be there - steerable axle or not. There is no provision in the code for any exceptions. The back of the vehicle has to be covered either by fenders or mudflaps that cover the entire width of the tire(s) and must meet the length requirements. Your mudflaps do not cover the entire width of the tires, though it looks like they're fairly close on the length issue.
Furthermore, concerning the headlights, whether you drive at night or not doesn't matter. The law says that you must have headlamps that meet the requirements. Period. Not a word in the code about whether you are using them or not.
As for the width, unless your vehicle is farm equipment there is no provision for it to be on the road. I don't know where you might've gotten a permit for the width on a standing basis. I've both farmed and hauled farm equipment with semi-trucks and am pretty familiar with the regulations for wide loads on the roads. You'd have to have a flag vehicle leading the way for your truck to be legally on the road.
I do like your truck and am not trying to talk smack about you or the truck. Mostly I'm just irked that you get away with that on the road and I get pulled over quite a lot with my little (relatively speaking) truck for the b.s. laws that they let you slide on.
For your perusal - this is straight from Montana Code Annotated on the montana.gov website:
61-9-407. Fenders, splash aprons, or flaps required on certain vehicles -- dimension and location. (1) A person may not move, or permit to be moved, a vehicle, except a motorcycle, quadricycle, motor-driven cycle, or farm tractor, as defined in this title, upon the public highways without having first equipped the rearmost wheels or set of wheels of the vehicle with fenders, splash aprons, or flaps. The fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must be designed, constructed, and attached to the vehicle in a manner that arrests and deflects dirt, mud, water, rocks, and other substances that may be picked up by the rear wheels of the vehicle and thrown into the air, as follows:
(a) If the vehicle is equipped with fenders, the fenders must extend in full width from a point above and forward of the center of the tire or tires over and to the rear of the tires.
(b) If the vehicle is equipped with splash aprons or flaps, the splash aprons or flaps must extend downward in full width from a point not lower than halfway between the center of the tire or tires and the top of the tire or tires and to the rear of the tires.
(c) If the vehicle is in excess of 8,000 pounds gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 10 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty.
(d) If the vehicle is 8,000 pounds or less gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 20 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty.
(2) Fenders, splash aprons, or flaps, as used in subsection (1), must be constructed as follows:
(a) when measured on the cross-sections of the tread of the wheel or on the combined cross-sections of the treads of multiple wheels, the fender, splash apron, or flap extends at least to each side of the width of the tire or of the combined width of the multiple tires; and
(b) the fender, splash apron, or flap is capable at all times of arresting and deflecting dirt, mud, water, or other substance that may be picked up and carried by the wheel or wheels.
61-9-203. Headlamps on motor vehicles. (1) A motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, quadricycle, or motor-driven cycle must be equipped with at least two headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the motor vehicle, that comply with the requirements and limitations set forth in this chapter.
(2) A motorcycle, quadricycle, or motor-driven cycle must be equipped with at least one and not more than two headlamps that comply with the requirements and limitations of this chapter. If a motorcycle is registered under 61-3-411 as a collector's item, it need not be equipped with headlamps; however, if it is not equipped with headlamps, it may not be operated upon a highway or street from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise or if persons and vehicles are not clearly discernible at a distance of 500 feet. A motorcycle may be equipped with a means of modulating the high beam of its headlamps between high and low beam at a rate of 200 to 280 flashes a minute; however, an operator may not modulate the headlamps at that rate during periods when headlamps are required to be lighted by 61-9-201.
(3) A headlamp upon a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, quadricycle, and motor-driven cycle, must be located at a height, measured from the center of the headlamp, of not more than 54 inches or less than 22 inches, to be measured as provided in 61-9-202(2).
(4) When headlamps are required to be lighted by 61-9-201, a person may not operate a motor vehicle on a highway with headlamps that are composed of, covered by, or treated with a tinted or colored material, substance, system, or component that obscures the headlamps or diminishes the distance of visibility required by this section.
(5) This section does not prohibit the operation or sale of a motor vehicle the headlamps of which are composed of, covered by, or treated with a tinted or colored material, substance, system, or component with which the vehicle was sold or could have been equipped for sale when new as standard or optional equipment in compliance with federal statute or regulation governing the sale at the time of manufacture.
61-10-102. Width -- definition. (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3), a vehicle, including a bus, unloaded or with load, may not have a total outside width in excess of 102 inches. This width for buses is allowed only on paved highways 20 feet or more in width.
(2) (a) Subsection (1) does not apply to an implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay that is moved or propelled upon the highway during daylight hours for a distance of not more than 100 miles if the movement is incidental to the farming operations of the owner of the implement of husbandry or the vehicle used for hauling hay. If the implement or vehicle is more than 12 1/2 feet wide, it must be preceded by flag vehicle escorts to warn other highway users. This restriction does not apply to dual-wheel tractors under 15 feet overall width that are used in farming operations or to movement on a county road within 100 miles of the farming operation of the owner of an implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay. Lights that meet the requirements of 61-9-219(4) must be displayed on the rear of the implement of husbandry or vehicle used for hauling hay. However, if the highway passes through a hazardous area, the implements or vehicles must be preceded and followed by flag vehicle escorts unless the movement of the implements or vehicles is restricted to a county road within 100 miles of the farming operation of the owner.
(b) An implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay that exceeds 16 1/2 feet in width and that is traveling on an interstate or a four-lane highway must be followed by a flag vehicle escort.
(c) A commercial vehicle that is hauling hay but does not qualify under subsection (2)(a) may be granted a permit subject to the provisions of 61-10-121 through 61-10-127 and the following requirements:
(i) travel during daylight hours only for an oversize shipment of large round bales of hay, whether the vehicle is loaded or with an empty hay rack, up to 144 inches; when empty, a square red or orange flag measuring 12 inches on each side must be attached to each corner of the hay rack; and
(ii) travel day or night for any other shipment of baled hay, whether the vehicle is loaded or with an empty hay rack, up to 114 inches.
(d) Subsection (1) does not apply to a commercial hay grinder moved or propelled upon the highway during daylight hours for a distance of not more than 100 miles if the movement is incidental to operations of the commercial hay grinder. A commercial hay grinder exceeding 102 inches in width must have a permit issued under 61-10-124. If the commercial hay grinder is more than 12 1/2 feet wide, it must be preceded by flag vehicle escorts to warn other highway users. Lights that meet the requirements of 61-9-219(4) must be displayed on the rear of the commercial hay grinder. Movement of a commercial hay grinder that does not exceed 138 inches in width may occur on any day of the week, including holidays, and is restricted to movement during daylight hours. Movement of a commercial hay grinder may not exceed the posted speed limit, including the speed limit on an interstate highway.
(3) (a) The width of a recreational vehicle, as defined in 61-1-101, and a camper, as defined in 61-1-101, that is being operated for noncommercial purposes may exceed 102 inches if:
(i) the excess width is attributable to recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances that do not extend beyond the exterior rearview mirrors of the recreational vehicle, the camper, a vehicle being towed by the recreational vehicle, or the motor vehicle providing motive power; and
(ii) the rearview mirrors extend only the distance necessary to provide the appropriate field of view for the vehicle before the recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances are attached.
(b) For the purposes of this section, "recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances" means an awning and its support hardware or any appendage that is intended to be an integral part of the recreational vehicle or camper and that is installed by the manufacturer or dealer.
(4) A safety device that the department determines by rule adopted pursuant to 61-9-504 to be necessary for safe and efficient operation of motor vehicles is not included in the calculation of width provided in subsection (1).
(5) For the purposes of this section, "flag vehicle" means a vehicle equipped as required by law or by department of transportation rule to warn or guide vehicular traffic. When not being operated as a flag vehicle, signs must be removed.
The mudflaps do have to be there - steerable axle or not. There is no provision in the code for any exceptions. The back of the vehicle has to be covered either by fenders or mudflaps that cover the entire width of the tire(s) and must meet the length requirements. Your mudflaps do not cover the entire width of the tires, though it looks like they're fairly close on the length issue.
Furthermore, concerning the headlights, whether you drive at night or not doesn't matter. The law says that you must have headlamps that meet the requirements. Period. Not a word in the code about whether you are using them or not.
As for the width, unless your vehicle is farm equipment there is no provision for it to be on the road. I don't know where you might've gotten a permit for the width on a standing basis. I've both farmed and hauled farm equipment with semi-trucks and am pretty familiar with the regulations for wide loads on the roads. You'd have to have a flag vehicle leading the way for your truck to be legally on the road.
I do like your truck and am not trying to talk smack about you or the truck. Mostly I'm just irked that you get away with that on the road and I get pulled over quite a lot with my little (relatively speaking) truck for the b.s. laws that they let you slide on.
For your perusal - this is straight from Montana Code Annotated on the montana.gov website:
61-9-407. Fenders, splash aprons, or flaps required on certain vehicles -- dimension and location. (1) A person may not move, or permit to be moved, a vehicle, except a motorcycle, quadricycle, motor-driven cycle, or farm tractor, as defined in this title, upon the public highways without having first equipped the rearmost wheels or set of wheels of the vehicle with fenders, splash aprons, or flaps. The fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must be designed, constructed, and attached to the vehicle in a manner that arrests and deflects dirt, mud, water, rocks, and other substances that may be picked up by the rear wheels of the vehicle and thrown into the air, as follows:
(a) If the vehicle is equipped with fenders, the fenders must extend in full width from a point above and forward of the center of the tire or tires over and to the rear of the tires.
(b) If the vehicle is equipped with splash aprons or flaps, the splash aprons or flaps must extend downward in full width from a point not lower than halfway between the center of the tire or tires and the top of the tire or tires and to the rear of the tires.
(c) If the vehicle is in excess of 8,000 pounds gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 10 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty.
(d) If the vehicle is 8,000 pounds or less gross vehicle weight or rating, the fenders, splash aprons, or flaps must extend downward to a point that is not more than 20 inches above the surface of the highway when the vehicle is empty.
(2) Fenders, splash aprons, or flaps, as used in subsection (1), must be constructed as follows:
(a) when measured on the cross-sections of the tread of the wheel or on the combined cross-sections of the treads of multiple wheels, the fender, splash apron, or flap extends at least to each side of the width of the tire or of the combined width of the multiple tires; and
(b) the fender, splash apron, or flap is capable at all times of arresting and deflecting dirt, mud, water, or other substance that may be picked up and carried by the wheel or wheels.
61-9-203. Headlamps on motor vehicles. (1) A motor vehicle other than a motorcycle, quadricycle, or motor-driven cycle must be equipped with at least two headlamps, with at least one on each side of the front of the motor vehicle, that comply with the requirements and limitations set forth in this chapter.
(2) A motorcycle, quadricycle, or motor-driven cycle must be equipped with at least one and not more than two headlamps that comply with the requirements and limitations of this chapter. If a motorcycle is registered under 61-3-411 as a collector's item, it need not be equipped with headlamps; however, if it is not equipped with headlamps, it may not be operated upon a highway or street from one-half hour after sunset to one-half hour before sunrise or if persons and vehicles are not clearly discernible at a distance of 500 feet. A motorcycle may be equipped with a means of modulating the high beam of its headlamps between high and low beam at a rate of 200 to 280 flashes a minute; however, an operator may not modulate the headlamps at that rate during periods when headlamps are required to be lighted by 61-9-201.
(3) A headlamp upon a motor vehicle, including a motorcycle, quadricycle, and motor-driven cycle, must be located at a height, measured from the center of the headlamp, of not more than 54 inches or less than 22 inches, to be measured as provided in 61-9-202(2).
(4) When headlamps are required to be lighted by 61-9-201, a person may not operate a motor vehicle on a highway with headlamps that are composed of, covered by, or treated with a tinted or colored material, substance, system, or component that obscures the headlamps or diminishes the distance of visibility required by this section.
(5) This section does not prohibit the operation or sale of a motor vehicle the headlamps of which are composed of, covered by, or treated with a tinted or colored material, substance, system, or component with which the vehicle was sold or could have been equipped for sale when new as standard or optional equipment in compliance with federal statute or regulation governing the sale at the time of manufacture.
61-10-102. Width -- definition. (1) Except as provided in subsections (2) and (3), a vehicle, including a bus, unloaded or with load, may not have a total outside width in excess of 102 inches. This width for buses is allowed only on paved highways 20 feet or more in width.
(2) (a) Subsection (1) does not apply to an implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay that is moved or propelled upon the highway during daylight hours for a distance of not more than 100 miles if the movement is incidental to the farming operations of the owner of the implement of husbandry or the vehicle used for hauling hay. If the implement or vehicle is more than 12 1/2 feet wide, it must be preceded by flag vehicle escorts to warn other highway users. This restriction does not apply to dual-wheel tractors under 15 feet overall width that are used in farming operations or to movement on a county road within 100 miles of the farming operation of the owner of an implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay. Lights that meet the requirements of 61-9-219(4) must be displayed on the rear of the implement of husbandry or vehicle used for hauling hay. However, if the highway passes through a hazardous area, the implements or vehicles must be preceded and followed by flag vehicle escorts unless the movement of the implements or vehicles is restricted to a county road within 100 miles of the farming operation of the owner.
(b) An implement of husbandry or a vehicle used for hauling hay that exceeds 16 1/2 feet in width and that is traveling on an interstate or a four-lane highway must be followed by a flag vehicle escort.
(c) A commercial vehicle that is hauling hay but does not qualify under subsection (2)(a) may be granted a permit subject to the provisions of 61-10-121 through 61-10-127 and the following requirements:
(i) travel during daylight hours only for an oversize shipment of large round bales of hay, whether the vehicle is loaded or with an empty hay rack, up to 144 inches; when empty, a square red or orange flag measuring 12 inches on each side must be attached to each corner of the hay rack; and
(ii) travel day or night for any other shipment of baled hay, whether the vehicle is loaded or with an empty hay rack, up to 114 inches.
(d) Subsection (1) does not apply to a commercial hay grinder moved or propelled upon the highway during daylight hours for a distance of not more than 100 miles if the movement is incidental to operations of the commercial hay grinder. A commercial hay grinder exceeding 102 inches in width must have a permit issued under 61-10-124. If the commercial hay grinder is more than 12 1/2 feet wide, it must be preceded by flag vehicle escorts to warn other highway users. Lights that meet the requirements of 61-9-219(4) must be displayed on the rear of the commercial hay grinder. Movement of a commercial hay grinder that does not exceed 138 inches in width may occur on any day of the week, including holidays, and is restricted to movement during daylight hours. Movement of a commercial hay grinder may not exceed the posted speed limit, including the speed limit on an interstate highway.
(3) (a) The width of a recreational vehicle, as defined in 61-1-101, and a camper, as defined in 61-1-101, that is being operated for noncommercial purposes may exceed 102 inches if:
(i) the excess width is attributable to recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances that do not extend beyond the exterior rearview mirrors of the recreational vehicle, the camper, a vehicle being towed by the recreational vehicle, or the motor vehicle providing motive power; and
(ii) the rearview mirrors extend only the distance necessary to provide the appropriate field of view for the vehicle before the recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances are attached.
(b) For the purposes of this section, "recreational vehicle or camper appurtenances" means an awning and its support hardware or any appendage that is intended to be an integral part of the recreational vehicle or camper and that is installed by the manufacturer or dealer.
(4) A safety device that the department determines by rule adopted pursuant to 61-9-504 to be necessary for safe and efficient operation of motor vehicles is not included in the calculation of width provided in subsection (1).
(5) For the purposes of this section, "flag vehicle" means a vehicle equipped as required by law or by department of transportation rule to warn or guide vehicular traffic. When not being operated as a flag vehicle, signs must be removed.
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07-13-2009, 06:54 AM
ok guys cool it. so what if he can drive it on the road he was only telling us so. u dont have to be an jerk about it and break out the boring Montana law codes like ur a rule lovin cop or somethin
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lol how come my questions always get a controversal answer? lol
I just like looking at jacked up trucks, and here in the mid ohio valley (OH/WV state lines.) your pretty much up to the discretion of the cops, but, most jacked up trucks worth calling a jacked up truck, is not going to be legal. lol
but, theres still nothing as impressive as a lifted dentside in my book.
I just like looking at jacked up trucks, and here in the mid ohio valley (OH/WV state lines.) your pretty much up to the discretion of the cops, but, most jacked up trucks worth calling a jacked up truck, is not going to be legal. lol
but, theres still nothing as impressive as a lifted dentside in my book.
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07-13-2009, 08:30 AM
You've missed his point completely and need to re-evaluate your stance. I don't think he's being a jerk; he is stating very clearly that he's not taking out personal attacks on this individual; instead he is stating his frustration with the bias of Montana law enforcement.
Also I think it's poor taste that you're bashing him for having posted a copy of Montana vehicle laws. Instead, I think it's commendable for anyone in an argument to come back with solid, hard evidence to back up his or her point. If no one did this, then everything everyone says is just based on hear-say.
While I can agree the thread got hijacked, I thought this debate was pretty interesting and had some good information nonetheless.
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07-13-2009, 10:54 AM
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Jeff....Good to see you bud...You've got Thunder Beast back to looking good!!!
Legal is in the eye of the ticket giver......because I drive mine whenever and wherever I want and it's far from legal here in NC,but there's loop holes to get away with most of the laws that are against us vertically privileged truck owners!!
Legal is in the eye of the ticket giver......because I drive mine whenever and wherever I want and it's far from legal here in NC,but there's loop holes to get away with most of the laws that are against us vertically privileged truck owners!!
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07-13-2009, 10:55 AM
Like I said, "you are my new hero" driving that on the street is awesome, legal or not. I could just imagine the LEO that sees that truck driving by. Scratches head and shrugs shoulders. Thats a beautiful truck and appears very clean.
To be honst my little truck on 44's is a rolling traffic ticket. Even with my giant mud flaps, the thing is too tall, and does not meet frame heigth requirements, tires stick out too far from fenders (even though I have mud flaps) Lights in general are too high and the 557 makes a little too much nose even with mufflers.
I would love to have a monster like yours to make a quick trip to the store with. I'd make a beer run with it.
