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Yeah the performer intake will fit with no problems. If it's the one in your pics, it looks like a non efi engine. If it's an older engine (pre '82), the camshaft is different, thats why pre '82 302's have a different firing order. They changed cams to reduce crankshaft stress. If yours is a pre '82 that would explaine the missing chunk of piston. When I worked in the wrecking yard buisness, you could bet that when you tore into the older 302 you would find at least 2 cracked pistons.
i did not know that i have a efi 302 maybe i can make a hybrid out of the two talking the strongest parts from both.
 
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If you go with an aftermarket cam, it will be the 82 up style. Someone said to go with long tube headers, but thats only partly right. You will want to go with equal length long tube headers. The difference is that all the tubes are the same length from the head to the collecter. Heddman Headers has a good line of headers at an affordable price. If your engine is all original, then it is pre 82 due to the blue paint.
 
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Just slap some 289 heads on it.

I had a 302 in the 76 I had completely rebuilt engine, I used a crane cam RV cam with mild lope. I also used a Pete Jackson gear to gear timing gear, and for electric I used a high performance accel dizzy, plugs and wires...Thing would of got me killed if I didn't sell it...

Is that thing carburated or EFI? If a carb slap on a 4 barrel intake and get a 4 barrel cam.
 
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Just slap some 289 heads on it.

I had a 302 in the 76 I had completely rebuilt engine, I used a crane cam RV cam with mild lope. I also used a Pete Jackson gear to gear timing gear, and for electric I used a high performance accel dizzy, plugs and wires...Thing would of got me killed if I didn't sell it...

Is that thing carburated or EFI? If a carb slap on a 4 barrel intake and get a 4 barrel cam.
im not sure what the engine originally was, i think carberated.
I have desided on making a junkyard 302 with all the left over parts laying around here. i will alow myself to buy a cam and/or a intake if i need to deppends if i feel like spending money i dont have.
ill give you guys a list of some of stuff i know i have

- 1 set of e7te heads( one head is missing exhaust valves and 2 rockers)
- 1 bottom efi manifold complete with injectors
-1 block with a cam crank and 7 good pistons and one bad piston
- a second fully complete efi 302 engine(condition unknown probably very seased)
- 8 or 9 2v ford carbs in various states of dissaray
- 1 spread 4v ford carb
- 3 working ford alitnators and about 6 seased ones
- 2, 4 speed transmisions one with a transfercase
- missmached junk i cant remember



allso more pics
whats left of the piston, the block looks fine though

 
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The E7TE head is from a 87-93 engine. Oooh spread bore carb! Too bad the only intakes it will fit are 351c and the big blocks 69-74. They just sound cool when you drop the hammer.
 
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The E7TE head is from a 87-93 engine. Oooh spread bore carb! Too bad the only intakes it will fit are 351c and the big blocks 69-74. They just sound cool when you drop the hammer.
the e7te heads came off the engine i am working on so i guess we know what years the engine is from now. the 4v i think, was originally going on a 351w in a second ford truck we have but we never got a intake for it.

that carb a nice cam and a set of headers would be a sweet setup... untill i get to the pumps i have to get a respectable mpg rating or i wont be able to drive it, but i do have that 4 speed......
 
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Originally Posted by 1 F150dude
Yeah the performer intake will fit with no problems. If it's the one in your pics, it looks like a non efi engine. If it's an older engine (pre '82), the camshaft is different, thats why pre '82 302's have a different firing order. They changed cams to reduce crankshaft stress. If yours is a pre '82 that would explaine the missing chunk of piston. When I worked in the wrecking yard buisness, you could bet that when you tore into the older 302 you would find at least 2 cracked pistons.
What I am about to say is not going to really change anything on your plans to build your engine, but I would like to correct some miss-information posted above.

In 82 they changed the balance of the 302 engine across all versions. The older ones had a 28oz weight on the flywheel, the 82ish-up have a 50oz weight.

All normal base 302's have the same old firing order all the way up till they quit making them. The HO 302's are the ones that had the different firing order, the same firing order as the 351w. This is nothing to panic over, a lot of aftermarket cams for the 302 will have the HO or 351w firing order, and all you have to do is move the spark plug wires around to make it work.

As far as detonation, that can be controlled by how you set the engine up. I have found Ford set the initial timing very low, and used a lot of vacuum advance. They will run better if you set the initial higher, but then you have to get an adjustable vacuum advance unit and turn it back some to get rid of part throttle detonation. It's just part of building a non-stock engine. You always end up fiddling with it to get it running it's best, no factory settings are really going to work once you get rid of the stock setup.
 
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Sadly they dont make a spread bore intake for Fords. That really sucks. You can get really decent milage with them too. I had a Spirit of '76 edition Chebby truck, 350 and a quadrajet, 18mpg. Had an 85 Dodge 3/4 ton, 360 and a quadrajet, 15mpg. Of course there was the 71 Dart with the 360 and 850 thermoquad, 6mpg. Good thing gas was less than a buck back then.
 
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I have a 75 302 out of a mustang 2, and an 84 "base" 302 out of a crown vic. The firing orders are different.
 
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Well if the 84 i have was running the wrong firing order it sure did run good. At least until it grenaded a piston.
 
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I would say it was not the original engine, or the older engine may have had a cam swap, you never know what someone has done to a vehicle over the years.
 
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Originally Posted by 1 F150dude
Sadly they dont make a spread bore intake for Fords. That really sucks. You can get really decent milage with them too. I had a Spirit of '76 edition Chebby truck, 350 and a quadrajet, 18mpg. Had an 85 Dodge 3/4 ton, 360 and a quadrajet, 15mpg. Of course there was the 71 Dart with the 360 and 850 thermoquad, 6mpg. Good thing gas was less than a buck back then.
hey i do have a spare q-jet maybe i can mock it up so i can fit it on a ford (before god kills me for mixing chevy and ford)
 
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Almost all of the 5.0 motors that had the roller cam had the 351 firing order except some of the early 82s ..It dosnt have to be an HO to have the 351 firing order..Alot of the newer trucks were roller motors non HO...Lew
 
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Question

i think i found a wiring harness for efi but there is one problem, it was for a I6. are the wiring harnesses interchangeable?
 


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