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I thought it was that the 6.4 doesn't fit, and their current issues with International.
 
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That's true. No more diesel E series after Jan. 2010. The new 6.7L will not fit. Watch Ford give the ambulance business to GM.
I've noticed that the majority of new ambulances around here other than the E-series, are the Dodge Sprinters. I hope they don't just hand it to GM but time will tell. I did like the press release on the V10 coming to the Amb. Package though. They made it sound like it was all centered around trying to help out the municipal and private ambulance companies by offering a lower cost solution to purchasing an ambulance versus the diesel. Not one word about the new emissions and the 6.7 not fitting.
 
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I thought it was that the 6.4 doesn't fit, and their current issues with International.
The 6.4 won't fit and that's part of the reason they have continued with the 6.0 in the '08 plus models. But, the 6.0 will have to go by 1/1/2010 because of the new emissions that go into effect in January. The 6.0 won't meet the 2010 emissions and with the Navistar relationship officially flushed, they won't have the availability of the 6.0 any longer after 12/31/09.
 
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I dont see them loosing that much ground by offering the V10. Heck, its been a great engine for Ford in the SD trucks. Around here, there are a lot of new D-Max ambulances. A lot of them are on the 4500 frames.
 
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I would rather buy an Anywhere built Navistar Engine than a Ford built ANYWHERE. International had the best engine in the world to put in a Ford 6.9, 7.3 IDI, and 7.3 Powerstroke, until Ford started demanding more power and less emissions/noise out of them. Thats when they went to crap. Before that, we had GREAT diesels in our trucks.
Yes Ford wanted the power, but only because the people buying the trucks wanted the power and it was the gov that demanded the emmissions
 
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it seems to me the best senario that they could do is scrap all the epa stuff and build a diesel capible of big power but detune the crap out of it for emission. Then under a different company name offer a tuner to unlock the power thus saving the problems...... Also gets them out of warranty claims
 
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Wont happen, but it would be nice. I feel that any vehicle that is going to be used in a manner such as an ambulance shouldn't have to meet any emissions standards because of the importance of the cargo they carry. I know i would be PISSED or probably DEAD if i was having a heart attack and the truck decides to quit because an emissions system.
 
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I would rather buy an Anywhere built Navistar Engine than a Ford built ANYWHERE. International had the best engine in the world to put in a Ford 6.9, 7.3 IDI, and 7.3 Powerstroke, until Ford started demanding more power and less emissions/noise out of them. Thats when they went to crap. Before that, we had GREAT diesels in our trucks.
You really believe that load of crap? Knowing that all the manufacturers were adding power EVERY YEAR, International could only deliver the 6.0? It's not Ford's fault that International couldn't keep up with GM and Dodge. Sounds to me that International was asleep at the wheel.
 
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You really believe that load of crap? Knowing that all the manufacturers were adding power EVERY YEAR, International could only deliver the 6.0? It's not Ford's fault that International couldn't keep up with GM and Dodge. Sounds to me that International was asleep at the wheel.


Its common knowledge that Ford rushed and pushed the 6.0 with high emissions and horsepower requirements. They put the International engineers on a very tight schedule to come up with a completely different engine. The 6.0 has absolutely nothing in common with the 7.3. The later models of the 6.0 are perfectly fine, very capable engines.
 
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hey momma, it was the epa who shoved those emissions down the diesel guys throats, not ford wanting to get all this emissions stuff out. The reason the later ones are good is because techs learned how to work on them properly,
 
 
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