FORD TRUCK ENTHUSIASTS - Order of the BLUE MAX
#91
Me too. Although I'm not sure I agree with Ken on this. Someone that's been sober a week, a decade, or thirty years, or dealt with depression has exercised some amount of will power and self discipline (even with assistance) to get where they are today. Getting yourself in a situation you can't control, and avoiding getting yourself in that situation are two different things.
My hat's off to all of you who have had a problem and dealt with it.
My hat's off to all of you who have had a problem and dealt with it.
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Me too. Although I'm not sure I agree with Ken on this. Someone that's been sober a week, a decade, or thirty years, or dealt with depression has exercised some amount of will power and self discipline (even with assistance) to get where they are today. Getting yourself in a situation you can't control, and avoiding getting yourself in that situation are two different things.
My hat's off to all of you who have had a problem and dealt with it.
My hat's off to all of you who have had a problem and dealt with it.
What they do have is willingness to follow the 12 step program, or whatever other spiritual path they take. Sometimes they have to hit rock bottom to get willing. Others... never get willing to admit defeat (I'm sure we've all seem people like that). Some of the worst drunks show an extreme amount of will power in their lives, doing many things that others would give up on... except when the bottle is concerned their will alone won't cut it.
Its why 12-step programs have an admission of "powerlessness" as their core foundation. If they weren't powerless over it, they'd have never gotten to the position they ended up in. Take 2 people, one with a genetic predisposition (and studies with twins have shown it is) for addiction and the other not, have them drink hard for a prolonged period of time. The non-alcoholic, when life hits him with a hard enough lesson... will quit. The alcoholic... will find he/she can't.
#94
Taking the first sip or saying no is all they have control over, and some people have done quite well with that.
At least that's my worthless opinion.
#95
What you're missing is that most alcoholics or dopers have no substitute in their lives that equals "HIGH PERFORMANCE" living.
They bury themselves in garbage like that, because there is no longer a way of accelllerated living that matches what they have done before.
So they die dreaming.
And here I am in a place like this.....
They bury themselves in garbage like that, because there is no longer a way of accelllerated living that matches what they have done before.
So they die dreaming.
And here I am in a place like this.....
#96
AA didn't work for me, nether did family, wives [2] or friends.
It took the potential loss of a great friend and mentor to make me see the light. When he passed away 4 years ago I went to the local store and bought a fifth of Jack and sat in my shop looking at that bottle for 6 hours. I never even opened it, gave it away to a friend the next day.
The want never goes away...........but I've come to far to return to the bottle now.
It took the potential loss of a great friend and mentor to make me see the light. When he passed away 4 years ago I went to the local store and bought a fifth of Jack and sat in my shop looking at that bottle for 6 hours. I never even opened it, gave it away to a friend the next day.
The want never goes away...........but I've come to far to return to the bottle now.
#97
**** AA.
I need a life!
If I had a life that worked out, I wouldn't have to try so hard to get one - WOULD I?
Mine was destroyed by a Lady who ruined it.
I DARE YOU to refute me....
(and many of you know that story well)
When I can do nothing, since I am unemployed - I spend as little as I can. I still have a stipend from the government. Retired pay.
It ain't enough, and I know too much to be employed in this place.....
BACKWARDS ASSED COUNTRY TENNESSEE!!!
The twenty first century is here.....
WTF?????
It occurs to me to go down the road and talk to some people.
I need a life!
If I had a life that worked out, I wouldn't have to try so hard to get one - WOULD I?
Mine was destroyed by a Lady who ruined it.
I DARE YOU to refute me....
(and many of you know that story well)
When I can do nothing, since I am unemployed - I spend as little as I can. I still have a stipend from the government. Retired pay.
It ain't enough, and I know too much to be employed in this place.....
BACKWARDS ASSED COUNTRY TENNESSEE!!!
The twenty first century is here.....
WTF?????
It occurs to me to go down the road and talk to some people.
#98
I am not a alcoholic but have famliy that is or has been. My grandfather (maternal) and father both had problems with alcohol, both deceased for years not. My little brother does now. He always has some alcohol in is hand. I hope one day he can take the first step.
For you guys that are walking that path everyday, Keep up the fight. I am proud of all of you. You deal with something much tougher that I do everyday. God bless all of you.
For you guys that are walking that path everyday, Keep up the fight. I am proud of all of you. You deal with something much tougher that I do everyday. God bless all of you.
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Maybe unwillingingness to try is why you can't stop? Don't know... just hazarding a guess.
Lots of people fallen on hard times don't drink. As a friend, Dutch, I'm saying this in all sincerity... that perhaps at this point cause and effect are intermixed, and that maybe a life that "worked out" wouldn't be less difficult to obtain when sober? I had some rough times in my early years and the bottle was never a factor... but it certainly would have made it worse.
I can't think of a single problem in life which booze will fix, but I can think of many that booze will make worse. Email me if you want to chat sometime, this road you're on certainly won't get better with the bottle --- I mean that not in a judgemental way at all, but rather with concern for you (if I wasn't concerned I wouldn't bother to reply).
I need a life!
If I had a life that worked out, I wouldn't have to try so hard to get one - WOULD I?
If I had a life that worked out, I wouldn't have to try so hard to get one - WOULD I?
I can't think of a single problem in life which booze will fix, but I can think of many that booze will make worse. Email me if you want to chat sometime, this road you're on certainly won't get better with the bottle --- I mean that not in a judgemental way at all, but rather with concern for you (if I wasn't concerned I wouldn't bother to reply).
#100
I wish you had PM'd instead of putting it out there.
I rebell instantly against that.
Somethings need to be zoned private.
~Wolf
When enough people push you against your own interests, or even towards them - you no longer trust anyone. It is why the "WOLF" is my choice.
I will handle this on my own, or I will fail. But I will deal with this as best I can. If I fail - it will be while doing well.
Enough said on that.
I rebell instantly against that.
Somethings need to be zoned private.
~Wolf
Maybe unwillingingness to try is why you can't stop? Don't know... just hazarding a guess.
Lots of people fallen on hard times don't drink. As a friend, Dutch, I'm saying this in all sincerity... that perhaps at this point cause and effect are intermixed, and that maybe a life that "worked out" wouldn't be less difficult to obtain when sober? I had some rough times in my early years and the bottle was never a factor... but it certainly would have made it worse.
I can't think of a single problem in life which booze will fix, but I can think of many that booze will make worse. Email me if you want to chat sometime, this road you're on certainly won't get better with the bottle --- I mean that not in a judgemental way at all, but rather with concern for you (if I wasn't concerned I wouldn't bother to reply).
Lots of people fallen on hard times don't drink. As a friend, Dutch, I'm saying this in all sincerity... that perhaps at this point cause and effect are intermixed, and that maybe a life that "worked out" wouldn't be less difficult to obtain when sober? I had some rough times in my early years and the bottle was never a factor... but it certainly would have made it worse.
I can't think of a single problem in life which booze will fix, but I can think of many that booze will make worse. Email me if you want to chat sometime, this road you're on certainly won't get better with the bottle --- I mean that not in a judgemental way at all, but rather with concern for you (if I wasn't concerned I wouldn't bother to reply).
I will handle this on my own, or I will fail. But I will deal with this as best I can. If I fail - it will be while doing well.
Enough said on that.
#101
Wolfie, If you can handle it that's great, for me I may as well put a gun to my head and end it quickly cause it won't take long.
As a matter of fact, my wife drinks and I will on occasion go get it for her.
We have a standing joke that if we go to a bull roast or crab feast. I do the eaten and she does the drinking with a built in DD.
If you need me anytime anywhere for anything all you have to do is call and I will be there.
Goodnight and enjoy the Bud.
As a matter of fact, my wife drinks and I will on occasion go get it for her.
We have a standing joke that if we go to a bull roast or crab feast. I do the eaten and she does the drinking with a built in DD.
If you need me anytime anywhere for anything all you have to do is call and I will be there.
Goodnight and enjoy the Bud.
#102
i've always been the type to believe it's a choice that has to be made rather than a disease. that term's a little too loosely used nowadays. it's just such a hard choice to step away from something that seems such an easy quick fix that most want to believe that there's an excuse for why they can't do it. that's how I feel. i don't want an excuse for why i don't always get it right, the fault for my choices lies solely with me and i'll accept whatever stupidity i cause myself because of my choices. it's a battle some fight with themselves that can't always be fixed by well meaning people acting as babysitters. i agree with Wolfie...
hey wolf... i'm gonna send ya a picture you might like.
now why don't we go back to our good samaritan stories, you know, the thread topic?
#105
ACCEPTANCE
Is the answer to all MY problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing or situation - fact of my life unacceptable to ME and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being how it is supposed to be at this moment. Nothing absolutely nothing happens in this world by mistake; unless I accept life completely on life's terms, I cannot be happy. I need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and my attitudes.
Is the answer to all MY problems today. When I am disturbed, it is because I find some person, place, thing or situation - fact of my life unacceptable to ME and I can find no serenity until I accept that person, place, thing or situation as being how it is supposed to be at this moment. Nothing absolutely nothing happens in this world by mistake; unless I accept life completely on life's terms, I cannot be happy. I need to concentrate not so much on what needs to be changed in the world as on what needs to be changed in me and my attitudes.