VERY BAD IDEA! From what I have seen booze and pot always lead on to bigger and worse things like meth. Its all a part of the drug culture.

 

"From what I have seen booze and pot always lead on to bigger and worse things like meth. Its all a part of the drug culture."

If booze leads to meth, we'd have far more meth addicts. Pot shares the black market economy with meth because both are illegal, but there were a massive number of pot smokers back in the day yet meth is a niche drug mostly popular among white trash. There is a better argument that being white trash (NOT rednecks, who are good folks though outsiders get the two confused) is a high risk for meth use than there is for smoking pot.
BTW I don't smoke now, but did massively in the 1970s. None of my friends who smoked turned into meth heads, but we weren't white trash and looked down on crank heads just like we would junkies. Different culture entirely. The markets for meth and crack and other substances that are really chemical suicide don't have provable causal relationship to weed or booze. That does not mean that some losers don't consume all the above, but those are the folks who'd be glueheads if there were nothing else. There's no helping them...

 

drugs are bad, lol

 

I know what you are saying about niche drugs, the cultures within the drug culture like bikers into meth and dead heads into LSD. As far as causal relationship between them they all get you high. And I have seen meth creep into the mainstream. And if you are into getting high you just might want to try something els if you come across it. We survived it all but what about the young and foolish who don't know about all of this?

 

"We survived it all but what about the young and foolish who don't know about all of this?"

Education and open discussion instead of the lies that have been told about the effects of marijuana would be a start. Some history behind the campaign to outlaw it (Harry Anslingers careerism, etc) and noting that it wasn't even on the legal radar for most of our history.

Prison is arguably guaranteed to wreck their lives more than the possibility of drug misuse. Locking up a young person with hardcore felons isn't rehabilitation, and sending little Johnny to get breechloaded in prison because he smoked a doob isn't likely to produce a person with a positive attitude to the society that sent him there! "It's for your own good, now bend over."

Europe has a much more reasonable social policy to sort between chemical recreation and actual destructive substances, but Americans tend to be Puritanical fear-freaks who don't connect the dots when making social policy decisions.

Not to go too far OT, the once-thriving domestic hemp industry (and its alternative energy applications) could be usefully expanded if not for the fear of the evil weed. Interesting how products some companies don't like are deliberately demonized. Hemp biodiesel has been successfully tested, and hemp grows well in some poor soils.

 

Legalize it all,
Tax it like Booze & Cigs the hard core ones will O.D. the gene pool will thin out shortly.
Use tax collected to build major treatment centers fore the ones who really want to get off the stuff.
All of the black market money back into mainstream.
You would dramatically reduce crime, prision populations...
But wait then millions of tax dollars would not be wasted on a war on drugs that we will never win.....Nah that will never work sounds to easy

 

Same here. I have an elevator which is 1/4 mile from our house and they have a 15000 gal NH3 tank with nurse tanks. they have been hit a lot of times. They are considering not selling nh3 and going to 28% liquid N. raising the cost of growing corn by 20% or more. Darn meth heads.

 

The biggest thing us biodiesel makers use that could be used for Meth is the sodium hydroxide(lye), not the methanol. Google MAMA (mothers against Methamphetimine). They're the ones that got Red Devil Lye pulled from shelves. It's 100% sodium hydroxide. Red Devil since came out with a liquid product for drain cleaner that the meth heads couldn't use (Doesn't work for biodiesel or soap making either). They bowed to a pressure group and probably lost a bunch of money. It didn't solve anything though, other companies have products just like the Red Devil used to be and sell it at Lowe's. We buy it by the pallet load in 50 pound bags. I guess it made MAMA and Red Devil feel better though. The two things that will get you escorted off of are place (by force if need be) if it's in your pocket are Sudafed and nitric acid.

 

Down here, we haven't had Ammonia in years. We use a solid fertilizer in a spreader cart mixed with Agrotain (if i remember corectly)

 

Nice theory, doesn't work well in practice.
The Dutch tried it years ago. Have you ever seen Needle Park in Amsterdam, I have, it is filled with tripped out junkies and growing in population daily. They have turned a once beautiful park into a vacant slum lot. Since drugs are cheaper, readily available, and legal there is no inhibition to getting strung out, the junkies do not look at what it is doing to them they only care about staying high.

Considering the problems associated with alcohol and tobacco, do we really need more mind altering life controlling substances that are legal.

 

Dude - you broke the cardinal rule of chemical procurement..."Never, ever, ever ask for the chemical name"

You want lye - you don't say "lye" and you sure don't say "sodium hydroxide"...you just ask for "drain cleaner" Likewise if you need hydrochloric acid, you don't ever ask for that, you say 'concrete cleaner', etc.

Don't forget rule number two either..."always know the legitimate purpose"...concrete cleaner, drain cleaner, fuel tank de icer, etc.

As some have already posted, it's bad enough trying to get cold medicine...two forms of ID, signature, passport, note from your mother, government tracking your every move and who knows what else we don't know about. If everyone keeps going around asking for actual chemicals, pretty soon everyone with a plugged up drain is going to be on America's Most Wanted - or worse yet, having the SWAT team break down their door in the middle of the night!

 

lol just read the first few posts but I had been thinking that I'd get wierd looks and stares too.

 

All drug dealers, trafficers, manufacturers, need a bullet in the head, right where they stand, to get the message out. Enough talk about liency or legalizing this or that. 1 bullet is a helluva lot cheaper than jail.

 

i went to a farm supply store to get lye, and they had 100% pure lye drain cleaner, but they said to get the bigger sacks full, i needed a permit, is this true? how can i get one?