AAWWWW! did I hurt your widdle blue oval feelings.

Again show me an offroad ready FORD suv

You know I could say the same things about F-150's most of them are little more than grocrey getters for scoccer moms. Cause very few people really haul things in them nowdays.

 

Saw the ESPN program that showed the Detroit auto show.

Some shots of the 09 F150, but they featured the HX- a concept Hummer with removeable body parts. It was kind of neat, reminded me of the concept rock crawler Ford had many years ago.

http://www.rockcrawler.com/features/newsshorts/01january/EX/fordex.asp

http://jalopnik.com/342457/detroit-auto-show-hummer-hx-concept-embargo-totally-fragged

For anyone who has not seen the 09 F150
heres a look at whats "new".

http://jalopnik.com/344143/detroit-a...cs-and-details

 

Actually I was addressing the considerably longer wheelbase of the H3T. It will not turn anywhere nearly as sharp as you H3 with the Colorado size wheelbase. I don't recommend to anyone that they trade up, espectially if they have a truck that is working just fine. I wasn't recommending that anyone that has a H3 get rid of it to get the same thing with a V-8. Just that the V-8 isn't unrefined like the I5. And 19 mpg isn't bad, my old 94 XL F-150 does that at 80. Your driving an SUV that is more like a barn door than mine. So IMHO, 19 mpg isn't bad. That is all.

As a side note to the frame thinkers, I saw a Tahoe parked next to a H2 at the grocery store the other day. I looked up in their wheelwells at the frame. It appears that the frame is taller on the H2 than the Tahoe. But then the H2 was a chrome laden 4 X 4 and the Tahoe had the full Explorer Limited two wheel drive treatment.

Also the owner/drivers of these beasts were suburbanite women that dressed about the same and were of about the same age. I'd guess that GM really knows their demographics on these two trucks. Tahoe driver is blond and the H3 driver was a brunette if that matters.

 

Looked at the Land Rover Catalogue lately?

And everything in the LR Catalogue would happily destroy anything up to a H1 off-road (and a Defender would even give a H1 a run for its money... and a Discovery, and a "non-sport" Range Rover wouldn't be far behind...)

 

defender 90...love it! that thing is great.

i drove around a defender series in greece that the greek military uses. if i could have just took that thing with me.

 

I have heard the Defender 90's that are in the states fetch amazing prices...

They are VERY cool vehicles.

 

they do fetch a price and are only available in gas.

to bad most of them are just status symbols that will never see anything other then a driveway or a pavement cruise.

the one a cruised around in greece was great, sort of banged up, had a nice noisy diesel in it, was great. it is really too bad i can't get one here.

i have always told myself that when i live outside the US again, i am getting either a defender or a nissan patrol, my other favorite.

 

The only thing that is shared is the rear suspension, i forgot to mention that.

 

Does Ford even still own Land Rover? Cause they shure as heck don't make any parts for them. Now you wanna talk about glorified scoccer mom rides, complete with bubious English electronics and all but hey at least up untill a coouple years ago they used a Buick engine and now use a BMW drivetrain.

Yep nothing screams blue oval like a DOHC german 4.4L V8 and ZF tranny

 

poseur, I think so...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG9r_Hv3H9I

I have taken stock Jeep Cherokees on terrain like that with 225 tires on it.

 

Thank you very much

 

H3 vs. Wrangler Rubicon in the woods...... hmm okay what ever......

 

Ok then.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H2

"Although it shares GM's GMT820 truck platform with the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon,"





http://www.netcarshow.com/hummer/2004-h2_sut_concept/

 

That's good for your Jeep and i'm not doubting it. But that guy doesn't know how to drive that well, as i've taken an H2 through much tougher stuff than that. And if you can take a stock Cherokee through the obstacles in my previous vids than you are awesome. As for tie rods failing, i'd rather have that than axles. A tie rod takes like 30 minutes to fix and is like 20 bucks or something.

 

[QUOTE=DOHCmarauder]Ok then.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hummer_H2

"Although it shares GM's GMT820 truck platform with the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon,"





http://www.netcarshow.com/hummer/2004-h2_sut_concept/[/QUOTE]

You got to finish it,

Although it shares GM's GMT820 truck platform with the Chevrolet Tahoe and GMC Yukon, those vehicles differ in many ways and are constructed in three other GM plants. The H2's final frame assembly is made up of 3 sections: The front uses a modified GM 2500-Series utility frame, the mid-section is all new and is completely boxed, and the rear section uses a modified GM 1500-Series frame which is upgraded for the 8,600 pound (3629 kg) gross vehicle weight

I think that makes them different, and if not then the Tahoe and Yukon have a good strong frame.