Not to mention that you can put allot more miles on a diesel than a gas burner, unless of course your talking about a nissan or toyota. But you don't see many celica's or accords pulling fithwheels, hey, maybe these guys who are complaing about there gas mileage should try one of those if all they are concerned about is gas milage...LOL

 

True but not true. I always see the "resale value" thrown around and IMO is severly misused and misunderstood. What your saying is that if you had a brand new BMW M5, it would have better resale in two years than a brand new Focus would in two years. Yes it would, but hell, you spent A LOT more for it to start with so it should have higher resale. No brainer, it's simple math. Right now my truck (V10) has a 5k lower resale value than the same PSD. The PSD would have cost 5.5k more from the dealer so in reallity, the resale isn't better. It's the same, your just getting more back because you paid more to start with.

Now if you can show me that a PSD sells for more than a gasser by a lot more than the difference in cost to start with, I'd agree but Edmunds and KBB prove it different.

 

Agree with you, a lot of factors. When I traded my V10 I was able to get a thousand over kelly blue book verses if I traded in a 6.0 might have gotton a thousand less. Depends on the dealers. Had one dealer offer me $3,000 less than kelly blue book. The V10 has proved to be a very good motor. Dealer had my V10 advertised for $5,000 more than I traded it for and had it sold in 2 weeks. Also mine was a 5 speed manual. Some dealers bucked at that too.

 

Yea, they are going to make there money wether coming a thousand off of the msrp of the new truck and giving you less for your trade in or by standing firm on the msrp and giving you what your trade in is worthThis can also work in your favor. They don't seem to think the need to negotiate with the price very much though on the 08 though. I think I got mine for 2500. less than msrp and I generally do better.

 

You don't get more back just becuase you paid more up front, if you get more back its because the used truck buyer is willing to pay more for the PSD.

 

Also I did get mine for 500 over dealers invoice $3232 off and also a loyalty 1,000 rebate in April. Now I see it is a 4,000 rebate plus 1,000 loyalty. That would have been 8232 off today. The dealers invoice verses list price is not as high as it use to be. its about 6% now, use to be about 10-12%.

 

seems to me that the newer the truck and more tech that they throw at them the worse the mileage. My 2 97s (one reg cab 4x4 5spd 4.10s, one crew cab 4x2 5spd. 4.10s) were great on fuel. My 4x4 with SCT, AFE stage2, strait pipe, and Banks downpipe would get 23mpg on the highway and about 16-17 in town and with a 9Klbs trailer I could still pull 17-18 on the highway and the stock crew cab was really close to those numbers but my 2000 F350 cc drw with an auto gets about 12mpg with my 7kLbs. trailer.....I sure miss my 97s.

 

Has anyone used additives with success?

 

These new diesel motors are pretty choked up with the new emmission standards ... all of them are getting poor MPG compared with the earlier versions. our 08 6.4 has only 1500 miles on it , started towing with 630 miles on it. The truck with full fuel, two folks, 5th wheel hitch and camper stuff in the bed weighs in at a bit over 9200 lbs with the 5th wheel attached behind it we are over 22K. Just pulled the Indiana and Ohio tpk for about 300 miles and the MPG O meter said 9.3MPG when we stopped in our driveway..now that is only .8 of a MPG better than our 05 V-10 over the same road pulling the same weight. Not much for a extra $5,000 but it will get better ...It had BETTER get better....

 

RichFaa,
I had 500 on mine before hooking up to 19Klbs and taking it for a 7week trip to ALaska.. For the first week or so I was getting about 6-7mpg. By the end of the trip and 10K miles later I was getting 9pmg. With out the trailer I was getting about 14mpg. Both my past trucks (7.3 and 6.0) would get about 10-12 pulling 5lbs less than my new truck. So I think pulling 19Klbs and getting 9mpg is very comparible to the last two trucks I owned that got 10-12 pulling 13Klbs. I now have close to 11K miles on the new one. Now that the 2 hand full of bees have been removed from the air box and a new air filter I would expect to get better milage. But I will not no for sure until the truck gets back out of the body shop. Been there for going on 7 weeks. My truck did get better milage the more miles I put on it. I can hardly wait to hook up to the 5'r and pull it again. I was a great experince pulling with this new truck. Much better then the past 2 trucks I had.

 

Yea and it will get better towards the 08 year.

 

I sent you a PM please check it out..

 

...........That's a no brainer,keep the 7.3,can't be wore out and when you do get600-700,000 mile's on it get the V10 with 4:30's and be happy.

 

................That was back in the 7.3 day's,does not apply in 6.0's and will NOT apply in 6.4's.

 

Read how they did the test...get the truck up to 65 mph, hit the reset mpg, travel about 50 miles.

Ya, you'll get 15-18, that's how they did the Chevy 6.6 too.

Ford has got to figure out how more mpg can be achieved, the aftermarket probably will but I don't want a monkeyed up truck!