May 2007 Truck Sales
#46
06-08-2007, 09:13 AM
Originally Posted by NumberDummy
HUH?? 
El Camino? &^%$^
Smiggy, the Ranchero was first...in 1957. No El Caminos till 1959.
The Torino was launched in 1968. It replaced the Fairlane model name on the upscale models. The lower priced model still carried the Fairlane name. Within 3 years, the Fairlane name was gone.
What does the name Fairlane refer to?
Fairlane was the name Henry Ford gave to his estate in Dearborn.
El Camino? &^%$^Smiggy, the Ranchero was first...in 1957. No El Caminos till 1959.
The Torino was launched in 1968. It replaced the Fairlane model name on the upscale models. The lower priced model still carried the Fairlane name. Within 3 years, the Fairlane name was gone.
What does the name Fairlane refer to?
Fairlane was the name Henry Ford gave to his estate in Dearborn.
I forgot about the Ranchero.....
#47
06-10-2007, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Fordsflylow
It's extremely simple really! If they were mechanically the same the recalls should be identical as well, and they aren't. End of discussion for me! Feel free to get the last word. 
If you doubt it and think I need to explain how a taco is a copy of a Ranger, what's the use!?! Granted they aren't as identical as they were in the 90's, but toy definitely copied off the Ranger. Again, feel free to have the last word, but you won't change what I see!
If you doubt it and think I need to explain how a taco is a copy of a Ranger, what's the use!?! Granted they aren't as identical as they were in the 90's, but toy definitely copied off the Ranger. Again, feel free to have the last word, but you won't change what I see!
It's been boring around here, so here it goes...
The GM trucks are the same mechanically....period, end of story. You are citing different recalls to bolster your case. Please show a link to the differnt recalls, thank you.
How can you say the Japanese (Toyota) copied from the Ranger considering they INVENTED the compact truck market. In fact, before the Ranger in 1983, Ford used Mazdas as their compact truck and renamed them Couriers.
Initial Rangers used Twin I Beam front ends later went to a-arms and torsion bars.....the Toy's used torsion bars and a-arms.....
Toy used a box frame on their compact trucks (Vdmax probably blew a nut over that) Ranger uses a C-channel.
Ranger used pushrod V-6's while Toy used DOHC V-6's.....I guess they both do use Japanese transmissions.
So again, how did Toy copy ANYTHING concerning the Ranger???
#48
06-11-2007, 10:13 PM
Originally Posted by NumberDummy
Nothing is really new when it comes to automobiles. Push button transmissions, big news in the 1950's, but Premiere had one in 1917. Tilt wheel? Around since the 1910's. Hydraulic brakes? Stutz was the first..except instead of mineral spirits, (brake fluid), they used H2O! Didn't work too well when the brakes got hot. Power steering? Pierce-Arrow in 1927...people were scared of it...no road feel. Auto transmissions? Reo self shifter of 1931, 9 yrs before Hydramatic. Since Model T's had planetary transmissions, wouldn't the T get the credit for the first auto? Power brakes? Yesterdays news, not 1951, go back 20 years. IRS = De Dion Bouton turn of the (last) century. Paddles on the steering wheels? Pre-select gearbox, Cord 810, 1936. There's more...but this'll do for now.
#49
06-12-2007, 07:27 AM
Originally Posted by DOHCmarauder
So again, how did Toy copy ANYTHING concerning the Ranger???
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Originally Posted by thorseshoeing
They used wheels....and everybody knows that a caveman named Ogouh Fuh, which loosely translated to modern day English is Dave Ford, Henry Fords' great to the 143 power grandfather. So Ford invented the wheel, thus every auto maker is copying Ford. I'm sure that since numberdummy is an auto history buff, he can back me up on this...
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You owe me a new keyboard, punk,........................I just spit grapefruit juice all over it!!!
#53
06-13-2007, 04:05 AM
Originally Posted by J..D
No the First FULLY auto trans was GM in 1940, you know GM actually had a lot of firsts in the auto industry people just don't realize it.
GM
First starter motor = 1912 Cadillac. First chrome plating = 1924 Oldsmobile. First enamel paint (Duco) = 1925. First OHV V16 = 1930 Cadillac. First OHV V12 = 1930 Cadillac. First all steel bodies = 1935. First flathead V16 (135 degree) = 1937 Cadillac. First fully automatic transmission - Hydramatic = 1940 Oldsmobile. First hardtop = 1949 Buick Riviera. First OHV V8 = 1949 Cadillac. First air suspension = 1958. First portable radio = 1958 Oldsmobile. First AM/FM radio = 1962.
Packard
First steering wheel = 1903. First H slot gear selector = 1904. First V12 = 1915. First Straight 8 = 1921. First Bijur one shot lubrication = 1932. First power brakes = 1933. First in-dash radio = 1933. First air conditioning = 1940. First power windows/seats = 1941. First Torsion Bar suspension (front & rear) = 1955. First Load Leveling suspension = 1955. First reversable seat cushions (leather on one side, cloth on the other) = Caribbean Convertible 1955. First Electronic Push Button Transmission = 1956.
First Front Wheel Drive (car) = 1929 Ruxton. First Front wheel drive truck = 1910 FWD. First 4 wheel brakes = 1924 Rickenbacker. First Hydraulic Brakes = 1921 Stutz. First Pre-Select gearbox = 1936 Cord. First Fresh Air Heater = 1938 Nash. First Monocoque (Uni) Body = 1928 Lancia D' Lamda. First Power Steering = 1927 Pierce-Arrow. First radial tires - Michelin = 1955 Citroen.
to be continued...
The first automatic transmission is debatable. The 1931 Reo Royale had a "self shifter." No clutch pedal, but the gearshift dash mounted lever (it looked just like a parking brake lever) had to be shifted from low to high. The 1940 Olds 4 speed single range Hydra-Matic also had no clutch pedal. You just put the lever in Drive..and away you went.
Trivia: Ransom E. Olds started the Olds Motor Works in 1897. After fighting with his backers in 1904, he left the company and started a new one, using his initials R E O.
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