The VERY NEW-looking fuel pump on my '59 F100 is leaking like a sieve, it has the quaint glass bowl on the bottom, but looks like it's leaking from where the bowl gasket flange mates up with the body.

Dennis Carpenter has a replacement for $50, is it possible to put a more "modern" pump on that doesn't have the glass bowl? What is the glass bowl for?

Will a fuel pump for a 223 of ANY application, truck or car, work?

 

The glass bowl is where the ceramic fuel filter fits. Older Fords used fuel pump mounted filters on certain models. This original style filter and gasket are still available from Ford. You could also make a new gasket from cork gasket material available from parts stores. The idea behind a glass bowl was..you could see how dirty the filter was.


C3TZ-9365-A .. Fuel Filter (Motorcraft FG-16) Note: the filter could be either ceramic or a corrugated type paper.

 

What N.D. stated.
Do you have Any idea how hard those are to lay ones hands on?
I've know some who've stated that they sell one of the children for one.

 

Thanks, Bill. I reckon before I go buy a replacement, I'll pull the old one and see if I can fix it.

 

Updated part number..see original post!!

According to the parts book, this was the only style pump the 223's used on cars and trucks.

 

Number Dummy

What time?

 

after rush hour say 9ish...wear mangy old clothes and shoes, bring a good flashlight and gloves, the place is a mess. Cell phones might not work up here, as we are are between two ridges...

 

Having learned this lesson the hard way, I tell you with certainty that not all cork gasket material will work. You want the kind that has neoprene imbeded in it. Pure cork will fall apart over time. The nice thing about the glass bowl, as stated earlier, is that you can see any junk that's coming through the line. It's a snap to empty the bowl; *HOWEVER* you need to install a new cork gasket each time you remove the bowl. Ask me how I know...
I have a chunk of 1/16" Viton rubber that I purchased from McMaster Carr (or was it MSC?) that I plan to use for the next gasket. I have a Harbor Freight gasket punch set that I use to cut new gaskets. You can cut them with scissors and a razor blade as well.

Got my fuel pump with glass bowl NOS from Merles, a local parts house. (Nope, sorry, I got the last one.)

brider,

The lower section of your glass bowl pump should work just fine with the housing of a standard model pump. But if your only problem is leakage around the bowl, all you need is a new gasket, your pump is probably fine.

Cal

 

If the OP replaces the filter, it comes with a new gasket. I agree on the cork, it has a nasty habit of shrinking, and must be soaked in water to use. I should have suggested another material. Some ppl that own older 20's and 30's cars are forced to use cork gaskets, simply because nothing else is available.

 

I think I'm gettin' the drift here, but ND is confusing me; he speaketh of a FILTER, and giveth a part number for same. Is it possible somehow to attach this filter in place of where my glass bowl is?

The fuel pump on my '66 with a 300 six has a big screw-on canister-type filter. Is that what this filter for the 223 six looks like?

And just so I'm clear: There is NO fuel pump available that is JUST a pump, with no glass bowl or filter attached?? Is that right? That's the kind of pump I'd prefer.

If there is no "simple" filter available, I'll make mine work. Fuel is flowing from somewhere around the gasket surface to where the hard line screws in to the pump, then drips HEAVILY. Only when it's running, though.

 

brider,

The filter for your pump went inside the bowl. It was more of a screen than a proper filter. I use an in-line universal filter cut into the gas line after the pump instead.

If your’s is only dripping when running the problem must be on the pressure side of the pump. That rules out the bowl gasket, which would drip all the time. Assuming you still have good fuel pressure, you could take yours apart at try to figure out what’s wrong. Perhaps re-assembling it with a gasoline-resistant Permatex will do the trick.

Most after-market fuel pumps have no filter or bowl. Apparently all of the original factory pumps for (B8A 9350-E and B9A 9350-B) had the glass bowl (at least my 1960 parts manual does not show one without the glass bowl). As stated earlier, the ones with the bowl are quite rare. If you decide to replace yours, put it on eBay. One of us will probably buy it.

I assume you have electric wipers? If you have vacuum wipers you need the fuel pump that has the vacuum pump built into the top and your options are pretty limited.

I’ve been getting Carter (Federal Mogul) pumps. Merles no longer carries Carter. The lower section of the pump with the bowl and inlet fitting was interchangeable with the non-bowl model of the pump. The non-bowl version had just a dome-shaped cover with the inlet fitting; no filter. I can post photos if anyone is interested.

Cal

 

The glass bowl also lets you see any water that's in the gas.

On my '57 panel, a PO had installed brackets for mounting a SBF that interfered with the stock fuel pump. I got a generic electric fuel pump from a swap meet for $2; there's a chrome fuel pump cover you can find at any auto parts store (in the "stuff that makes your V8 shiny" section) that exactly fits the fuel pump opening in the block.

 

On 223 engines, the fuel filter fitith inside the glass bowl attached to the fuel pump = C3TZ-9365-A (Motorcraft FG-16). That's the sole purpose for the glass bowl, a housing for the fuel filter. On the Y blocks of the same vintage, a like fuel filter bowl was installed by Ford in the fuel line just ahead of the carb, but that wouldn't have been done on a 6 cylinder. The position of the carb on the intake manifold just above the exhaust manifold could cause the fuel to vaporize because of the heat radiating from the exhaust manifold. Ergo: Glass bowled fuel filters on 6 cylinders were mounted away from the exhaust manifold for obvious reasons. The only 223 pump Ford supplied then came with glass bowls.


Some of the 240/300 6 cylinders and FE equipped engines have a serrated metal can mounted to the fuel pump. Inside that can, which screws off and on is a fuel filter. I giveth thee the number = C4AZ-9365-A ~ Motorcraft FG-1.


From the 1930's thru 1964 or so, every manufacturer of vehicles in the US used the same type of fuel filter mounted in glass bowls. The filter was originally ceramic, some of the later filters are made from specially treated corrogated paper. The filter is obviously small, about the size and diameter of a knuckle.

 

Thanks, ND, that clears it up.

Now, Cal401, you,ve turned this thread into a neat little science project for me; maybe I should begin this again in a new thread?

My wipers VACUUM, and I always thought they were actuated by manifold vacuum. They are disconnected right now, and I was wondering if this dis-connected status was causing a vacuum leak somewhere. Since you say the vacuum wipers are actuated by the FUEL PUMP (who knew?), I'll guess it's not hurting anything (vacuum-wise).

I'm going to take another look today at lunch to see why there's no vacuum line from the pump, like I said earlier, the pump looks new.

How durable or reliable is the vacuum-housing thingy I see mounted about in the center of the firewall near the top? Should I take it apart?

 

Both the factory fuel pump and the after-market job on my panel have two hose fittings sticking straight out the top of the pump. It sounds like your pump may have been changed to a non-vacuum type. In which case your wipers won't run unless someone has connected them to the manifold. I don't know how well that works or if it's a good idea. There's probably a reason they didn't use manifold vacuum in the first place. I have a vacuum gage on my pickup and the vacuum pressure can get pretty low a road speeds, so the wipers may slow down or stop just when you need them the most.

I don't know anything about vacuum wipers. The set on my panel is the first I've come across. I don't know if they work or not. The wiper arms are missing and I haven't had a chance to dig into it. Hopefully someone will chime in.

Cal