Just couldn't resists
Toyota fails to get five star crash rating

www.autoblog.com/2007/03/16/toyota-tundra-fails-to-score-five-stars-in-nhtsa-frontal-crash-t/#comments

So it's the Truth

 

HA!!! I love it. Good find. I'm just so sick of the brainwashed thinking toyota is perfect and better at everything, including some people on this site who think they are better and provide quality jobs in america.

Not trying to hijack this thread.

 

Sigh..........already posted; (probably get another 3 or 4 threads before it's done)

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/5...rash-test.html

Amazing how all the sheeple love to bash when it favors Ford, yet forget all Ford's screwups.

I challenge anyone to find a thread at FTE that says Toy is "perfect".... However, only a blind person cannot see the fact that they have their act together much better than Ford.

 

seriously, why do you post here? They have their act together? What about hiding dangerous recalls, and countless other things that are seen by those that open their eyes. Maybe no one called toyota perfect but i wasn't making a quote, it's called hyperbole.

Also i doubt that anyone has called Ford perfect either. People come here because they like Ford, if you don't feel free to leave.

I'd personally like to know what you mean by "act together" and what you are basing this on. For everything toyota does good, i'm sure Ford has done it, and for everything toyota does wrong i'm sure Ford has done it too. But this is a Ford enthusiasts site and if you can't deal with people supporting Ford then you maybe shouldn't be here.

 

It's about time were getting some real ford suporters. Suporting ford on a ford forum, what a concept,

 

Not only do I own more Fords CURRENTLY than most people on this board but have owned more Fords over my life time than most....there have been good ones and bad ones.

I post here to learn and to give experience.....not to be some blind cheerleader who thinks that Ford can do no wrong.





Again, MOST NHTSA recalls are forced.....or they are called "voluntary" recalls. Ford is the all time leader in hiding defects/deaths because of litigation vs. recall costs............UNTILL they're forced to do something.

While Toy may be no different, they are NO WHERE NEAR on the same scale as Ford concerning safety recalls.........this is why I cringe when people bash other brands. It's like being a Cubs fan and saying the Yankees suck. Hypocrisy at its finest.





Ummm.....you're kidding; right??? You must not venture to other threads too often.

As far as getting their act together.....you're joking again; right? Pull your head out of..............the sand if you can't see that Ford is in dire straights.


I hate bashing...........either way. To bash Toy (or anyone else) when Ford has the absolute worst recall/safety history is silly, hypocritical, and down right ignorant.

 

Ford is not then only one who is going to be bashing Toyota I'm almost sure GM, Dodge and probably Nissan are going to be poking on the crash rating. I personaly think some of them have the right because it's THE TRUTH even if is not that bad but they already heaved tried several times to design a really good competitor they screwed it up.

blind fate is not a good thing is can be a real pride crusher, dangerous an some times an excuse for a hard laugh!

 

ok, T-B_MN isn't being a hypocrite... at least, from what i can tell. a hypocrite is usually one who acts in direct opposition to their beliefs/actions (not from dictionary, but you get the point). not trying to be a.... yeah, just wanted to point that out.

i'm not agreeing with any side here, but bashing one another isn't technically allowed (from what i know) on this site. so please, refrain from doing so and let's get back to vehicles. i personally respect posters on this forum and don't give in to mindless internet squabbles.

btw, can you tell me why toyota building a plant in america is a bad thing? i'm just curious.

 

The frame on the Tundra is a joke, and the crash tests prove it. What were they thinking? Having a heavy boxed frame only the first 5 feet or so...then welding/riveting the C channel section to it is a disaster. Any front end accident will cause the heavy boxed section to fold/bend at the junction of the C channel (identical to crash test pic). It could also cause the heavy boxed frame to cause the C channeled frame section to "accordian" backwards. The Tundra frame is of the ladder type, there is no X bracing on the C channel section. The cross members are also C channel.


What I find amusing is that Toyota has had a rolling chassis making the rounds of the auto show circuits. There is the bare frame....for all to see.

I have a somewhat blurry pic of the rolling chassis, the pic was taken at the Anaheim Auto Show last October. email me, I'll send y'all the pic in return.

 

I don't know where to start, i just got in off a thirteen hour shift and am kinda tired so if i leave anything out forgive me i'll try to answer it later.

I've noticed that when someone complains about a toyota it is called "bashing" but if someone complains about Ford it is "constructive criticism" i find that a bit odd.

also go cubs!!

toyota's plants in america, they are mostly anti union/non union, which IMO is bad, i have been in a union family and so i may be biased on that, but many who aren't in union's or grew up without them are biased against them. They also pay less and give little or no retirement benefits. (don't want to open a new can of worms on this one)

in part, many people are proving my point for me that toyota isn't better than Ford or many others, but do the same things that Ford and others have been criticized for, and that should be recognized.

i support Ford motor company and want them to succeed and so when a competitor does something badly or poorly it helps Ford out, which is good if you support them, its not "bashing" them

"I hate bashing...........either way. To bash Toy (or anyone else) when Ford has the absolute worst recall/safety history is silly, hypocritical, and down right ignorant."

I don't recall saying that Ford has a better or perfect safety history, if i did then i apologize, but merely pointed out that toyota's history isn't perfect either. and i completely agree that it would be ignorant of someone to say Ford's is perfect.

By asking why you post here i wasn't trying to be mean or an *** i'm sorry if you took it that way for i truly did not mean it that way. It is not my goal to criticize other members of this site and i hope it is no one else's.

It just seems that anytime someone criticizes toyota you seem to jump in to "constructively criticize" Ford. I merely wish to constructively criticize toyota and other brands including Ford.

 

sorry for the length of that post.

 

For those that didn't read the last paragraph of the article:

And unfortunately my friends, there's the BIG difference between how Toyota thinks (progressively), and the "Big Three".

 

progressively or not, toy HAS to get a 5-star rating. i can't see how they plan on outselling the competition when a MAJOR flaw rests in their hands. lets see... spend my money on a big three truck (5-star safety) or a toy... wait... didn't they just get only a 4-star review? if anyone with half a brain was out to compare trucks, i'd choose the safety-aspect of a vehicle for my family and my sake. just my opinion, but i def. think that this will be changed.

 

With as little as I like the Tundra, I would like to bring up this point:
Anybody here with a pre-2004 Ford, go look at your frame. What did you see? Maybe the front boxed up to the tranny cross member, then C-channel all the way to the rear, with C-channel cross members? All riveted and welded together, maybe?
And before you jump on me, take a look at my driveway- Two Ford trucks, a Ford car, and a Jeep. The Subaru's sitting in the yard waiting on more work.
I like Fords, especially old ones, but I am not blindly loyal to a brand that may or may not suit my needs with their current products.

 

#1....Toy DOES NOT PLAN ON OUTSELLING THE COMPETITION.....it is IMPOSSIBLE for them to do so.

#2...Do you realize that the '97-'04(Heritage) F-150's had a WORSE rating than the Toy and still mantained the #1 best selling model crown?? So do Ford owners only have "half a brain"???

#3..Do you know your Super Duty (I own an '01) has been recalled for the cruise control switch; you know, the one that catches fire and burns down exposures (houses) that are near it???

My GOD!!! How could you have put your family in such jeapordy???


This is EXACTLY the crap that blows my mind........