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Speedster Project - Bonus points if you can ID the motor or chassis

Hey guys,

I was over at my dads house this weekend and took some pics of the new speedster project. Dad is a charter member of the Santa Clara Valley Model T Ford Club of America and each year since about '68 or so they have been having a Speedster Run and Lowland Tour in June. Well, forty years or so later he is getting around to building a speedster to run. He picked up the chassis for $25 and it's about a hundred years old. The motor he bought from someone back east who was running it in a large Buick touring car. It's not a Buick motor though.

Anyway, I thought you guys might want to take a look at it in such an early and rough state!

PS- sharp eyes will see ORIGINAL 99 year old FORD wheels in the background of pic # 2. That's the '08 Model S, also begging for a restoration...

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I got no flippin idea. But that is an awesome engine.
 
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Early Oldsmobile? I love the intake manifold. It is not a Ford - they had a wish bone front. You guys notice the mechanical brakes?

Lots of kits were sold to build new cars long before they had dealers. . .
 
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Man I like the underhung frame on the front end. Makes for a low frame and body compared to a Model T. The nicely arched frame rails over the rear axle are a thing of beauty too. Not like what is on today's vehicles, they're designed by the numbers instead of by artists!

I like it. But, I am still pointless (just ask my ex-wife!) as I don't have aclue about the make of either.
 

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So where is the guy that started this thread. We got one for an Olds engine. And mechanical brake Ford. So are they close or what.
Don't be starting something ya ain't gonna finish.
 
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4 Cylinder T Head Stutz, circa 1911 654 or so cubic inches. Those other spark plugs are igniters. Mercer looks similar but doesn't have igniters and is small at 300 ci.

That could be a Simplex T head also.

Frame looks like a short chassis American Underslung circa 1908-12, there is another car of the same vintage that used that setup, but memory is fleeting, and I can't remember the name...Simplex maybe.
 

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Stutz. Wow wouldn't that be fun ta play with. Be like having a 450 HP Pratt and Whitney Wasp JR. strapped to the side of yer barn.
 
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But I think I cheated, since I saw the engine on Foardban forum

http://www.fordbarn.com/earlyv8/foru...2/5094271.html
 
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But I think I cheated, since I saw the engine on Foardban forum
It is not the same engine - but it does look close.
 
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That a T Head and a T head doesn't mean Ford..it means Roamer, Stutz, Mercer, Simplex, early Duesenberg (another possibility). T refers to the space between the 2 cylinders.

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Originally Posted by WillyB
It is not the same engine - but it does look close.
You're right, had to look at the pics side by side to see the differences.
 
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That a T Head and a T head doesn't mean Ford..it means Roamer, Stutz, Mercer, Simplex, early Duesenberg (another possibility). T refers to the space between the 2 cylinders.

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I just read your other reply...must be close...654CuIn...have to be something big like that to move a Buick
 
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Hey guys.

Dad says it's a "Wisconsin" engine. And the frame is unknown. It appeared to be an electric car frame since it had about six lightweight crossmembers right where an engine would hang in the front. It should handle pretty good since it has the underslung front end. Those are all spark plugs from what he said. He said there are really big combustion chambers.
 
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A Wisconsin? I would have never guessed. Thanks
 
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Electrics built around 1910: Rausch & Lang; Baker; Woods Electric.

And, btw, who do you think designed and built the Wisconsin engine?

Harry C. Stutz

To quote Automobile Quarterly (Vol II, page 50; History of the Stutz Motor Car Company)

It all began in 1911, with the car "That Made Good In A Day." Stutz finished 11th in the Indy 500. Its Wisconsin cast in pairs 4 cylinder T Head engine was a sluggish roughneck compared to Mercer or Marmon.

You have a rare engine there, possibly one of three raced at Indianapolis in 1911. That engine might bring 5 or 6 figures to the right person, if it can be proven to have been used at the 500 in 1911.



PS: When original answer above was given, that was strictly an "off the cuff" guess. There are no pics of the engine in AQ..and I didn't look till at AQ till few minutes ago for the Wisconsin engine info. I love old junk!
 

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