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That's too cool.

I'd part with a few of my Wisconsins for a lot less
 
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If it helps - Wisconsin was also Continental Engines - they made air-cooled aircraft engines.
 
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If it helps - Wisconsin was also Continental Engines - they made air-cooled aircraft engines.
I have several other refs for Wisconsin engines in AQ. I used the AQ index, and stopped at the first one inre to Wisconsin and Stutz. I'll have to see if I can find the Continental/Wisconsin ref. In 1911, I don't think the name Continental existed.

Continentals were the engine of choice for companies who built assembled cars. Some companies like Durant only offered these cars, tho the public never knew that. Bodies were made by Briggs or Budd, engines from Continental, transmissions and rear axles from Spicer, clutches from Borg and Beck, radiators from Harrison, brakes from Lockheed/Bendix, etc.


Continental also built marine engines and the aforementioned air-cooled jobs.

Last use a Continental engine in a car was the 1955 Kaiser.
 
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Continental Flathead 6's were also in a lot of industrial apps...forklifts, bailers..etc.still beyond '55...resemble the Crysler FH 6 quite a bit too....which were still being made for industrial applications past automove use into the 60's
 
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Thanks, Fat Diesel - you sure gave us something to look at and talk about!

I see a fan on the front of the engine, and a tube from the top of the cylinder heads like it goes to a radiator, but I don't see a lower inlet hose. Is there one?

Some engines of that era had a water jacket which surrounded the firing chamber - yet had no provisions to cool the water - you just let it steam while adding water from a pail.

We need more pictures!
 
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OK. I will be bringing my parents' dog back home (thankfully) to them this weekend and I'll try to snap some more pics. They have been touring in the '10 T in San Diego for a few days. Yep it's been raining and they don't have doors or windows in that car. It usually doesn't stop them even though the car is pretty much show quality.

Some of you guys have seen this pic before, but this is the T. It had been converted into a pickup (finally we have an actual Ford Truck in this thread) and was really rough when he got it from Bill Harrah. That was about 1970. It took him about 20 years to restore it to this condition. He sanded that home-made wooden body for about ten years.

 
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did you get my p/m?

I went to every Harrah's Swap Meet, really miss those.
 

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The T was built for a different breed of men - back when people still mostly used horse and buggy. I have a couple of T stories I have been saving, waiting for some uncles to die off to avoid arguments. Someday I will publish these stories on my website.

One is about my Granddad - He used a T to tour Yellowstone Park on his honeymoon, before there was more than a horse trail into the Park. The other is a great uncle who owned a truck garden in Northern Colorado, he used a T express to deliver produce to the oil fields of Wyoming - the infamous Tea-Pot Dome strike.

More pictures of the engine would be nice - we seem to be striking out there. I don't think there is much chance we will discover the maker of the frame.
 
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don't think there is much chance we will discover the maker of the frame.
There's only a few possibilities, I've already ruled out the Woods Electric, because I've seen the only one in existance. I have the refs for Rausch and Lang and Baker. I have every issue of Automobile Quarterly, it's only a matter of time in finding the refs.

Only two or three underslung framed gas engines vehicles were ever offered. This frame is not from an American Underslung.


A Model T was the perfect family car. It featured a hood for father, a cowl for mother, and a rattle for baby.

Ford offered a magnitized rear axle for the Model T, to catch the parts that fell off.
 

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Yea, well, back in the day when radio was king, one radio personality claimed he could identify a motor's manufacturer just by hearing it run. They set up a demonstration outside a Chicago skyscraper. He correctly identified several - a Buick, a Dodge Brothers, an Oldsmobile.

About that time a delivery company dumped a load of coal down the coal chute and into the basement of the building.

"That's got to be a Ford!" exclaimed the expert.
 
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Hey guys. I took some more pics. Dad says the motor isn't as big as the race motors, but is from around 1910-1915. The chassis looks like it is a 103" wheelbase.















 
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That thing looks too cool to cover in seetmetal.
 
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4 1/2 x 5 1/2 Bore and Stroke is nothing to sneeze at. Looks like the motor number is 970..more research needed. That's an interesting rear axle, and the underslung frame in the front and conventional springs in the rear makes me think of the cycle cars of the era (1909-1914). They all didn't have motorcycle engines, it's just a name that was used then. Today, we call them sub-compacts or econo-boxes.
 

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The engine is a Wisconsin T-head and it looks to be from an FWD model B 3-ton 4x4 truck. The FWD Model B started in 1912 and was one of the first 4x4 trucks built in America and probably the most successful of the early four-bys. They were built from 1912 until into the 1930s. They had a great run during WWI, with about 16,000 built for the war. The same engine was also used in the Stutz Bearcat and a number of other cars, but with a bigger carburetor. On the Model B truck, it was rated for 50 brake hp at 1300 rpm. In the Bearcat, it was rated for 60 hp at 1500 rpm. Compression ratio was 4:1. You saw the bore & stroke on the data plate... that's 390 cubes. I have started (by hand!!) several FWD Model Bs and tooled them around. Top speed was 15 mph in the truck. The Bearcat could do 80 mph. After WWI, there were lots of surplus FWD truck around. FWD bought back, refurbished and upgraded a bunch to resell but the Wisconsin T-head was one of the most popular early "hot-rod" engines, so many FWD were "robbed" of powerplants. Military surplus engines were also used to replace worn out engines in Bearcats. Given the serial number and what I know about FWD production. it's likely from 1913-1914.
 
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Thanks for the info Jim. Dad picked up a new (to him) 32 Chrysler 3 window with a straight 8 and also is trying to finish the 32 Ford Woody in time for "Woodies on the Wharf" in Santa Cruz in June, so the speedster likely will sit for a year or so before it gets any love.
 

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